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I’m still not understanding the upset on this one. If your visa is granted for a specific job (as H1Bs must be) I don’t think it’s that crazy for the visa to be

by mcmcmc 12d ago

I’m still not understanding the upset on this one. If your visa is granted for a specific job (as H1Bs must be) I don’t think it’s that crazy for the visa to be revoked if you lose the job. If you don’t have a valid visa in a foreign country, it’s on you to leave. Does there need to be a period where that can happen peacefully? Sure. You don’t need two months to monkeybranch to another job where you get an implicit advantage in the job application by already being here, but without a valid visa. The point of H1B is that the talent is so rare and valuable that it can’t be found domestically. If you get fired or laid off, hate to say it but you weren’t valuable enough to keep around.

demo4567 12d ago
lmao. pretty soon you won't be valuable enough to keep around.
TheCoelacanth 12d ago
It's insane to expect people to move to a different country with zero days notice.
- mcmcmc 12d ago
  > Does there need to be a period where that can happen peacefully? Sure. A week should be plenty. And it’s not just some random different country, it’s their home country. There’s always your stateside consulate.
  - daxuak 12d ago
    Do you know that some US utility companies have geo IP + VPN bans, so that when you leave the US without setting up end of service and stuff, you can't even log into your account again to do that? What about google accounts etc that's implicitly tied to a US phone number? If you imagine you can leave one country, that you have lived in for a somewhat extended period of time, for another one within a week just because you are heading home, I'm sorry but have you ever moved across borders for something other than tourism.
    - mcmcmc 12d ago
      > US utility companies have geo IP + VPN bans They have phones you can call to cancel service > What about google accounts etc that's implicitly tied to a US phone number? That’s a problem between you and Google, not the US government
  - Timon3 11d ago
    You can't be serious about one week being plenty. Have you ever moved to another country?
- shimman 12d ago
  Seems like a fine trade if you want to make the big bucks in American tech. No risk, no reward.
Freedom2 12d ago
Layoffs often have nothing to do with specific individuals, so your last assertion is false.
- mcmcmc 12d ago
  Agree to disagree. Layoffs have everything to do with the position which the person was hired for. If your position or department is eliminated, whatever value it was providing to the company is no longer worth it in the balance sheet.
  - daxuak 12d ago
    There is a thing called human dignity that isn't inherently tied to a corporate balance sheet.
    - mcmcmc 11d ago
      Ok? You can treat someone with dignity while also laying them off because they/their department is losing money
daxuak 12d ago
I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab for ICE's concentration camp, at least theoretically, including all of your dependents because their visa is voided as well. How practical is it to get a plane ticket for today/tomorrow the moment you are laid off? Do people who get laid off also gets a teleportation machine?
- mcmcmc 12d ago
  As others have pointed out, this grace period did not exist before 2017, and prior administrations have managed to do just fine without building teleportation machines or conducting Trump style raids. If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. But there has to be a line somewhere. Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered. Two months is crazy though.
  - daxuak 12d ago
    > If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. That likely was the assumption and source of trust, i.e. enforcement's goal is to uphold order and has a sense of logic when being implemented. The current upset has a context of the breach of such trust. In other words, the enforcement now is sometimes aligned with Trump's domestic politics maneuver rather than immigration law enforcement, it is increasingly hard to not interpret new rules between the lines.
    - mcmcmc 12d ago
      It’s still not a new rule though, it’s the old rule, and not even that old. The new part is the violence from masked ICE officers and they’re not even bothering to check visas half the time. It’s a different problem. A two month grace period was always overly generous.
  - rayiner 11d ago
foogazi 11d ago
> The point of H1B is that the talent is so rare and valuable that it can’t be found domestically. If you get fired or laid off, hate to say it but you weren’t valuable enough to keep around. Since H1B visa holders possess valuable business skills that can’t be found domestically it makes sense to recruit them when they become available

by mcmcmc 12d ago

demo4567 12d ago

lmao. pretty soon you won't be valuable enough to keep around.

TheCoelacanth 12d ago

It's insane to expect people to move to a different country with zero days notice.

mcmcmc 12d ago
> Does there need to be a period where that can happen peacefully? Sure. A week should be plenty. And it’s not just some random different country, it’s their home country. There’s always your stateside consulate.
- daxuak 12d ago
  Do you know that some US utility companies have geo IP + VPN bans, so that when you leave the US without setting up end of service and stuff, you can't even log into your account again to do that? What about google accounts etc that's implicitly tied to a US phone number? If you imagine you can leave one country, that you have lived in for a somewhat extended period of time, for another one within a week just because you are heading home, I'm sorry but have you ever moved across borders for something other than tourism.
  - mcmcmc 12d ago
    > US utility companies have geo IP + VPN bans They have phones you can call to cancel service > What about google accounts etc that's implicitly tied to a US phone number? That’s a problem between you and Google, not the US government
- Timon3 11d ago
  You can't be serious about one week being plenty. Have you ever moved to another country?
shimman 12d ago
Seems like a fine trade if you want to make the big bucks in American tech. No risk, no reward.

Freedom2 12d ago

Layoffs often have nothing to do with specific individuals, so your last assertion is false.

mcmcmc 12d ago
Agree to disagree. Layoffs have everything to do with the position which the person was hired for. If your position or department is eliminated, whatever value it was providing to the company is no longer worth it in the balance sheet.
- daxuak 12d ago
  There is a thing called human dignity that isn't inherently tied to a corporate balance sheet.
  - mcmcmc 11d ago
    Ok? You can treat someone with dignity while also laying them off because they/their department is losing money

daxuak 12d ago

I'll bite. The problem is when you lose the visa and no grace period rule is in place, you are now an illegal immigrant instantly. The category now up for grab for ICE's concentration camp, at least theoretically, including all of your dependents because their visa is voided as well. How practical is it to get a plane ticket for today/tomorrow the moment you are laid off? Do people who get laid off also gets a teleportation machine?

mcmcmc 12d ago
As others have pointed out, this grace period did not exist before 2017, and prior administrations have managed to do just fine without building teleportation machines or conducting Trump style raids. If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. But there has to be a line somewhere. Another possibility could be interpreting the end of employment/expiration of the visa as the day your last paycheck is delivered. Two months is crazy though.
- daxuak 12d ago
  > If someone is in the process of self deporting and can show they are making good faith efforts to leave, there is no reason to arrest them. That likely was the assumption and source of trust, i.e. enforcement's goal is to uphold order and has a sense of logic when being implemented. The current upset has a context of the breach of such trust. In other words, the enforcement now is sometimes aligned with Trump's domestic politics maneuver rather than immigration law enforcement, it is increasingly hard to not interpret new rules between the lines.
  - mcmcmc 12d ago
    It’s still not a new rule though, it’s the old rule, and not even that old. The new part is the violence from masked ICE officers and they’re not even bothering to check visas half the time. It’s a different problem. A two month grace period was always overly generous.
- rayiner 11d ago

foogazi 11d ago

> The point of H1B is that the talent is so rare and valuable that it can’t be found domestically. If you get fired or laid off, hate to say it but you weren’t valuable enough to keep around. Since H1B visa holders possess valuable business skills that can’t be found domestically it makes sense to recruit them when they become available