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GamersNexus released a video comparing the Frame VR vs Meta Quest 3 today, worth a watch for the Frame review alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcerOYY_K1

by accrual 12d ago

GamersNexus released a video comparing the Frame VR vs Meta Quest 3 today, worth a watch for the Frame review alone: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcerOYY_K1g https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vcerOYY_K1g

garciansmith 11d ago
I appreciate that the review goes into the privacy issues and legal disclaimers with each. I don't doubt that everyone expects the Meta product to be much worse there, but wow it's a stark contrast.
- benoau 11d ago
  Meta are objectively worse than Valve because Valve don't allow ads in games or offer advertising services and they're generally more trustworthy, but that's really only part of the privacy story. Each app/game usually has its own data collection and usage on top and I don't think either of them do much to police or constrain that.
  - charcircuit 11d ago
    Meta doesn't allow ads in games either except for an few exceptions like YouTubeVR.
    - benoau 11d ago
      Yeah but they'll take your data and purpose it for their ads outside the games.
      - Daz912 11d ago
        [dead]
  - garciansmith 11d ago
    Plus Valve also says they don't sell any data the collect to anyone else. But the idea that games have data collection outside of the platform (e.g., Steam) is surprising to me. Would this be VR games only or a particular type of game, like ones with online multiplayer? I don't own a VR headset and don't really play multiplayer games these days. Of the games I have played (mostly indie), I've come across very few that have a EULA or anything that would imply any data collection of any sort.
    - benoau 11d ago
      It's nothing to do with VR in particular. This is the top-10 from https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US, half of them are collecting data to share (and one to sell) to advertisers. The fact that this is surprising you is kind of the point, Valve's not providing enough transparency or doing enough (any?) policing of this. You won't even find the disclosures in the EULAs, at best they link to a separate privacy policy. I suspect lack of EULA isn't necessarily a good indicator of no data being collected either. The breadth of data being collected includes browsing, installed software, identity and account identifiers, location, device and OS characteristics. - WarDogs: not sharing/selling https://www.wardogs.com/privacy https://www.wardogs.com/privacy - Marvel Rivals: not sharing/selling https://protocol.unisdk.easebar.com/release/latest_v475.html https://protocol.unisdk.easebar.com/release/latest_v475.html - CounterStrike: is Valve's - Borderlands 4: https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/ https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/ "In the last 12 months, Take-Two has sold and/or shared unique identifiers, IP address, as well as Internet/Electronic Activity and Profile Inferences with third-party advertising providers to enable us to provide personalized advertising to you and others like you. We may sell or share personal information about users that we know are under the age of 18 (or older, in certain locations) with their (or depending on age, their parent's) settings or permission." - Halloween: https://www.illfonic.com/privacy-policy-eula https://www.illfonic.com/privacy-policy-eula "Some advertising we engage in may be “targeted advertising,” which is the practice of showing you more relevant or personalized ads based on your activity over time and across non-affiliated services. Targeted advertising often involves us incorporating third party tracking technologies into our Service or disclosing (often hashed) identifiers, such as email addresses or Ad IDs, with third parties. These third parties then match our data with their own (or their partners’ data) to deliver ads to you or similar audiences. For example, we may incorporate the Meta pixel on our website to serve ads to Meta audiences based on the data we provide. We also use audience modeling services, where we and a partner each disclose (often hashed) identifiers to a technology provider. The technology provider then matches common factors between our and the partner’s data to help us understand audience overlap and improve campaign performance." - Baldur's Gate 3: not sharing/selling https://larian.com/privacy https://larian.com/privacy - Overwatch: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/a4380ee5-5c8d-4e3b-83b7-ea26d01a9918/blizzard-entertainment-online-privacy-policy https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/a4380ee5-5c8d-4e3b-83b7... "We disclose this personal information to: Online marketing or advertising partners including on our mobile games These partners may combine this personal information with information that they have collected about you when you use their services (or the websites and services of third parties) to personalize your experience or to improve the accuracy of their analytics, targeting, and measurement systems." - Apex Legends: https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/ https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/ "We also may share information relating to your device and your use of our Services with our third-party advertising partners so they may deliver targeted advertisements to you when you visit third-party services and websites within their networks. This practice is commonly referred to as "interest-based advertising," "online behavioral advertising," or "targeted advertising - The Blood of Dawnwalker: not sharing/selling https://bandainamco.com/privacy-policy/ https://bandainamco.com/privacy-policy/ - Bodycam: not sharing/selling https://www.playbodycam.com/en-US/personal-data https://www.playbodycam.com/en-US/personal-data
apatheticonion 11d ago
Would be great if the Meta Quest could be jailbroken to run SteamOS
- joshspankit 11d ago
  If you have a pc to run steam, you don’t even need to jailbreak
  - utopiah 11d ago
    I think they meant standalone VR without Meta or Android.
- utopiah 11d ago
  Quest 1, all firmwares, Quest 2 and 3 on some non latest hardware, can already be rooted, so that's not the bottleneck.
  - notpushkin 11d ago
    > non latest *firmware https://github.com/FreeXR/exploits https://github.com/FreeXR/exploits is a good starting point for that. I think replacing the Android userland would be the tricky part here.
    - utopiah 10d ago
      If you are interested in the topic I suggest joining the Discord, it's a pretty active place. I have few rooted Quests, only some Quest2 still left unrooted.
rdudek 11d ago
The comparison difference of terms and conditions was hilarious and spot on. Well done GN!
Levitating 11d ago
How do they find the time while simultaneously researching massive spywar scandals, dram cartels and gpu black markets.
- killingtime74 11d ago
  They get paid for the reviews probably

by accrual 12d ago

garciansmith 11d ago

I appreciate that the review goes into the privacy issues and legal disclaimers with each. I don't doubt that everyone expects the Meta product to be much worse there, but wow it's a stark contrast.

benoau 11d ago
Meta are objectively worse than Valve because Valve don't allow ads in games or offer advertising services and they're generally more trustworthy, but that's really only part of the privacy story. Each app/game usually has its own data collection and usage on top and I don't think either of them do much to police or constrain that.
- charcircuit 11d ago
  Meta doesn't allow ads in games either except for an few exceptions like YouTubeVR.
  - benoau 11d ago
    Yeah but they'll take your data and purpose it for their ads outside the games.
    - Daz912 11d ago
      [dead]
- garciansmith 11d ago
  Plus Valve also says they don't sell any data the collect to anyone else. But the idea that games have data collection outside of the platform (e.g., Steam) is surprising to me. Would this be VR games only or a particular type of game, like ones with online multiplayer? I don't own a VR headset and don't really play multiplayer games these days. Of the games I have played (mostly indie), I've come across very few that have a EULA or anything that would imply any data collection of any sort.
  - benoau 11d ago
    It's nothing to do with VR in particular. This is the top-10 from https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US https://store.steampowered.com/charts/topselling/US, half of them are collecting data to share (and one to sell) to advertisers. The fact that this is surprising you is kind of the point, Valve's not providing enough transparency or doing enough (any?) policing of this. You won't even find the disclosures in the EULAs, at best they link to a separate privacy policy. I suspect lack of EULA isn't necessarily a good indicator of no data being collected either. The breadth of data being collected includes browsing, installed software, identity and account identifiers, location, device and OS characteristics. - WarDogs: not sharing/selling https://www.wardogs.com/privacy https://www.wardogs.com/privacy - Marvel Rivals: not sharing/selling https://protocol.unisdk.easebar.com/release/latest_v475.html https://protocol.unisdk.easebar.com/release/latest_v475.html - CounterStrike: is Valve's - Borderlands 4: https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/ https://www.take2games.com/privacy/en-US/ "In the last 12 months, Take-Two has sold and/or shared unique identifiers, IP address, as well as Internet/Electronic Activity and Profile Inferences with third-party advertising providers to enable us to provide personalized advertising to you and others like you. We may sell or share personal information about users that we know are under the age of 18 (or older, in certain locations) with their (or depending on age, their parent's) settings or permission." - Halloween: https://www.illfonic.com/privacy-policy-eula https://www.illfonic.com/privacy-policy-eula "Some advertising we engage in may be “targeted advertising,” which is the practice of showing you more relevant or personalized ads based on your activity over time and across non-affiliated services. Targeted advertising often involves us incorporating third party tracking technologies into our Service or disclosing (often hashed) identifiers, such as email addresses or Ad IDs, with third parties. These third parties then match our data with their own (or their partners’ data) to deliver ads to you or similar audiences. For example, we may incorporate the Meta pixel on our website to serve ads to Meta audiences based on the data we provide. We also use audience modeling services, where we and a partner each disclose (often hashed) identifiers to a technology provider. The technology provider then matches common factors between our and the partner’s data to help us understand audience overlap and improve campaign performance." - Baldur's Gate 3: not sharing/selling https://larian.com/privacy https://larian.com/privacy - Overwatch: https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/a4380ee5-5c8d-4e3b-83b7-ea26d01a9918/blizzard-entertainment-online-privacy-policy https://www.blizzard.com/en-us/legal/a4380ee5-5c8d-4e3b-83b7... "We disclose this personal information to: Online marketing or advertising partners including on our mobile games These partners may combine this personal information with information that they have collected about you when you use their services (or the websites and services of third parties) to personalize your experience or to improve the accuracy of their analytics, targeting, and measurement systems." - Apex Legends: https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/ https://tos.ea.com/legalapp/WEBPRIVACY/US/en/PC/ "We also may share information relating to your device and your use of our Services with our third-party advertising partners so they may deliver targeted advertisements to you when you visit third-party services and websites within their networks. This practice is commonly referred to as "interest-based advertising," "online behavioral advertising," or "targeted advertising - The Blood of Dawnwalker: not sharing/selling https://bandainamco.com/privacy-policy/ https://bandainamco.com/privacy-policy/ - Bodycam: not sharing/selling https://www.playbodycam.com/en-US/personal-data https://www.playbodycam.com/en-US/personal-data

apatheticonion 11d ago

Would be great if the Meta Quest could be jailbroken to run SteamOS

joshspankit 11d ago
If you have a pc to run steam, you don’t even need to jailbreak
- utopiah 11d ago
  I think they meant standalone VR without Meta or Android.
utopiah 11d ago
Quest 1, all firmwares, Quest 2 and 3 on some non latest hardware, can already be rooted, so that's not the bottleneck.
- notpushkin 11d ago
  > non latest *firmware https://github.com/FreeXR/exploits https://github.com/FreeXR/exploits is a good starting point for that. I think replacing the Android userland would be the tricky part here.
  - utopiah 10d ago
    If you are interested in the topic I suggest joining the Discord, it's a pretty active place. I have few rooted Quests, only some Quest2 still left unrooted.

rdudek 11d ago

The comparison difference of terms and conditions was hilarious and spot on. Well done GN!

Levitating 11d ago

How do they find the time while simultaneously researching massive spywar scandals, dram cartels and gpu black markets.

killingtime74 11d ago
They get paid for the reviews probably