2 ms·

I agree: Not to drag politics into this, but look at how easy it has proven to manipulate many, many people, even with clear evidence of manipulation efforts be

I agree: Not to drag politics into this, but look at how easy it has proven to manipulate many, many people, even with clear evidence of manipulation efforts being made. This is robust across the world, from the Philippines to states in the EU, and the USA, affecting governments with actual wars being started. And that all before we entered the era of faked voices, images, and videos indistinguishable from the real things. That manipulable populace is such a juicy target for AI that the people seeing through it will have an incredibly hard time countering it. We can't even prevent human actors from massively fucking up our societies, let alone ASI.

tpm 12d ago
> incredibly hard time countering it Turn off the internet (like Iran). > We can't even prevent human actors from massively fucking up or societies, let alone ASI. We can (see China); we chose not to.
- dinfinity 12d ago
  > Turn off the internet (like Iran). Unworkable without societal collapse happening shortly thereafter. Iran is politically stable through massive authoritarianism and oppression, not due to limitations on the internet (it's not turned off). > We can (see China); we chose not to. It's a catch-22. We could technically if our population supported massive reductions of freedom and freedom of speech, but to gain that support we'd need to do the latter first to get to a highly powerful widely supported government. It also hinges very, very much on having and trusting a generally benevolent government. All in all, a terrible option in your simplistic form.
  - tpm 12d ago
    Iran did turn off the internet for a few months: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Internet_blackout_in_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Internet_blackout_in_Iran I am not advocating for neither, just saying many things seem unworkable until they become unavoidable.
    - dinfinity 12d ago
      It was definitely not 'turned off' completely. They have an internal 'internet' that was still largely active and not every organisation or person lost full internet access. Note that it also happened in a country that was already very isolated from the world and that it hurt them economically significantly. It's not something a Western country can just do and keep doing for months on end without massive societal upheaval. Also remember that any connection, even one between humans and on paper is an attack surface. Social engineering is already a huge issue when done by humans and we're seeing it become even easier and automated by using AI generated voice and video. Are we going to cut off all access to the outside world permanently?

tpm 12d ago

> incredibly hard time countering it Turn off the internet (like Iran). > We can't even prevent human actors from massively fucking up or societies, let alone ASI. We can (see China); we chose not to.

dinfinity 12d ago
> Turn off the internet (like Iran). Unworkable without societal collapse happening shortly thereafter. Iran is politically stable through massive authoritarianism and oppression, not due to limitations on the internet (it's not turned off). > We can (see China); we chose not to. It's a catch-22. We could technically if our population supported massive reductions of freedom and freedom of speech, but to gain that support we'd need to do the latter first to get to a highly powerful widely supported government. It also hinges very, very much on having and trusting a generally benevolent government. All in all, a terrible option in your simplistic form.
- tpm 12d ago
  Iran did turn off the internet for a few months: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Internet_blackout_in_Iran https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/2026_Internet_blackout_in_Iran I am not advocating for neither, just saying many things seem unworkable until they become unavoidable.
  - dinfinity 12d ago
    It was definitely not 'turned off' completely. They have an internal 'internet' that was still largely active and not every organisation or person lost full internet access. Note that it also happened in a country that was already very isolated from the world and that it hurt them economically significantly. It's not something a Western country can just do and keep doing for months on end without massive societal upheaval. Also remember that any connection, even one between humans and on paper is an attack surface. Social engineering is already a huge issue when done by humans and we're seeing it become even easier and automated by using AI generated voice and video. Are we going to cut off all access to the outside world permanently?