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Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.
by beezlewax 12d ago
Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.
- te_chris 12d agoYes, definitely load bearing.
- trymas 12d agoToday, I asked Opus what it’s gibberish actually means. It started with (topic about signing implementation): > This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera. On one hand - maybe yes??! On the other who the hell speaks like that and it’s so specific… I’d expect Alice and Bob with locks or house keys. Is this infamous old book scanning (and destroying) affecting latest models?
- Chance-Device 12d ago> On one hand - maybe yes??! No.
- SoftTalker 12d agoSounds like one of those "Is to as Is to" analogy questions from the SAT.
- r_lee 12d ago> > This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera. that is fucking insane how on earth is Anthropic allowing this to happen? AGI? kill us all? I refuse to believe any of that until they can get this basic shit sorted out, I mean seriously, it's becoming a joke at this point
- GeoAtreides 12d ago> it’s gibberish ironic
- andrewshadura 12d agoAre you sure you didn't typo signing as singing somewhere?
- nottorp 12d agoload-bearing!
- TomGarden 12d agoAgreed. The language consistently triggers visceral negative reactions from me at this point.
- JohnMakin 12d agoIt's definitely worse and getting worse. I'm curious, do they not know this is happening, or not care? I struggle to believe people prefer the way it writes, which is becoming drastically different than its competitors.
- lukan 12d agoFable 5.1 was explicitely supposed to improve that, I used it only a bit so far and it seems at least better.
- svachalek 12d agoFable 5.1 is fairly pleasant to work with, the first in a while. Too bad it's so ridiculously overkill for most tasks. They need to reel in Opus and Sonnet.
- immibis2 12d agoMaybe the humans are suffering from model collapse, and don't notice it.
- paulhebert 12d agoI wonder if they’re training heavily on Claude generated content or conversation transcripts
- abathologist 12d agoPeople are also being trained/acculturated to LLM speak, so even if they are trained on human output, they could be getting reinforcement for their LLM-tinged crap-speak.
- pibaker 12d agoBig empty words are probably cheaper to produce than concise, information rich text of the same length.
- sixtyj 12d agoI don’t like how LLMs answer and as they are statistical machines I have found out that I need to check every text they produce. From the first sight everything seems cool. But it isn’t. :) Exception is code that is so huge output you can’t read everything. But I have to try ponytail skill for coding that should shorten the output.
- chrisweekly 12d ago"Avoid use of "mannered" speech in your responses." goes a long way for Opus and Fable.
- hungryhobbit 12d agoThe issue isn't the prompt you give it. The issue is that as context grows, Claude distributes it's "attention weight" over all that context, and quickly reaches the point of "missing" stuff. You can give it any prompt in the world, but Claude's ability to remember that instruction quickly degrades the more you use it.
- chrisweekly 11d agoYeah, I'm well aware. I shpild've been clearer I was suggesting a 1-line entry like that in CLAUDE.json, which can pay dividends in keeping context lean - which in turn is essential for avoiding the "dumb zone" (over 125k-150k tokens), precisely the effect you describe. Experts like mattpocock suggest keeping context as lean as possible for this reason.