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Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.
by beezlewax 2mo ago
Claude's use of language is hideous at this point. It is verging on gibberish wrapped in important-sounding prose.
- te_chris 2mo agoYes, definitely load bearing.
- trymas 2mo agoToday, I asked Opus what it’s gibberish actually means. It started with (topic about signing implementation): > This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera. On one hand - maybe yes??! On the other who the hell speaks like that and it’s so specific… I’d expect Alice and Bob with locks or house keys. Is this infamous old book scanning (and destroying) affecting latest models?
- Chance-Device 2mo ago> On one hand - maybe yes??! No.
- SoftTalker 2mo agoSounds like one of those "Is to as Is to" analogy questions from the SAT.
- r_lee 2mo ago> > This is your coat token, to my coat hanger in the opera. that is fucking insane how on earth is Anthropic allowing this to happen? AGI? kill us all? I refuse to believe any of that until they can get this basic shit sorted out, I mean seriously, it's becoming a joke at this point
- GeoAtreides 2mo ago> it’s gibberish ironic
- andrewshadura 2mo agoAre you sure you didn't typo signing as singing somewhere?
- nottorp 2mo agoload-bearing!
- TomGarden 2mo agoAgreed. The language consistently triggers visceral negative reactions from me at this point.
- JohnMakin 2mo agoIt's definitely worse and getting worse. I'm curious, do they not know this is happening, or not care? I struggle to believe people prefer the way it writes, which is becoming drastically different than its competitors.
- lukan 2mo agoFable 5.1 was explicitely supposed to improve that, I used it only a bit so far and it seems at least better.
- svachalek 2mo agoFable 5.1 is fairly pleasant to work with, the first in a while. Too bad it's so ridiculously overkill for most tasks. They need to reel in Opus and Sonnet.
- immibis2 2mo agoMaybe the humans are suffering from model collapse, and don't notice it.
- paulhebert 2mo agoI wonder if they’re training heavily on Claude generated content or conversation transcripts
- abathologist 2mo agoPeople are also being trained/acculturated to LLM speak, so even if they are trained on human output, they could be getting reinforcement for their LLM-tinged crap-speak.
- pibaker 2mo agoBig empty words are probably cheaper to produce than concise, information rich text of the same length.
- sixtyj 2mo agoI don’t like how LLMs answer and as they are statistical machines I have found out that I need to check every text they produce. From the first sight everything seems cool. But it isn’t. :) Exception is code that is so huge output you can’t read everything. But I have to try ponytail skill for coding that should shorten the output.
- chrisweekly 2mo ago"Avoid use of "mannered" speech in your responses." goes a long way for Opus and Fable.
- hungryhobbit 2mo agoThe issue isn't the prompt you give it. The issue is that as context grows, Claude distributes it's "attention weight" over all that context, and quickly reaches the point of "missing" stuff. You can give it any prompt in the world, but Claude's ability to remember that instruction quickly degrades the more you use it.
- chrisweekly 2mo agoYeah, I'm well aware. I shpild've been clearer I was suggesting a 1-line entry like that in CLAUDE.json, which can pay dividends in keeping context lean - which in turn is essential for avoiding the "dumb zone" (over 125k-150k tokens), precisely the effect you describe. Experts like mattpocock suggest keeping context as lean as possible for this reason.