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>If you tell people "on Android you should use this app, on iOS use that app" - you lose regular people fast. People don't use single browser and single email

>If you tell people "on Android you should use this app, on iOS use that app" - you lose regular people fast. People don't use single browser and single email client, why IM should be different? It's a deficiency when you're forced to use a single "official client".

orbital-decay 19d ago
Most people don't even know what a browser is. There's a pretty big difference between a reference/fallback/default client and an official one, IMO.
aboardRat4 19d ago
Most people don't use browsers, the few web pages they visit are opened inside wechat or telegram with an embedded webengine.
jprjr_ 19d ago
For email - most people use the official app and assume they have to use it. You sign up for Gmail, you get the Gmail app. You sign up for Outlook, you get the Outlook app. 1 service = 1 app. For browser - on mobile most people use whatever the default browser on their device is. On desktop - Chrome. Pretty much everybody just downloads and uses Chrome.
jeroenhd 19d ago
Based on web browser statistics I've seen, most people use Chrome, some of them use Safari on their phones. There are also people who use Edge sometimes. But most people seem to use Chrome on every device, no matter how much I wish they didn't.
- sailfast 19d ago
  This comes from the before times when Internet Explorer was full of holes and Chrome was a usable browser with regular updates and before Firefox worked with all websites well. Google has since spent the time making Chrome more locked down and user-hostile from a privacy perspective but the conventional wisdom for years was “just use Chrome” (for good reason) and that inertia continues :/
- jprjr_ 19d ago
  Plus the sad reality is even if they're not using Chrome they're probably still using Chrome - most browsers are based on Chromium. You have Safari and Firefox, nearly everything else is just Chrome. Also last I checked - on iOS devices even if you use Chrome, you're really using Safari - I believe apple forces all web content to be rendered using the built-in WebKit.
hackmiester 19d ago
That is not true. Everyone uses Gmail. Everyone uses Chrome. This is true with literally less than 2% margin of error in many populations in the US.
- pixelschubsi0 19d ago
  Chrome (excl. Edge and Brave) is at 65% market share on US desktops. GMail is at 75% market share in the US.
InitialLastName 19d ago
What's the market share for non-system-default browsers and/or email clients?

orbital-decay 19d ago

Most people don't even know what a browser is. There's a pretty big difference between a reference/fallback/default client and an official one, IMO.

aboardRat4 19d ago

Most people don't use browsers, the few web pages they visit are opened inside wechat or telegram with an embedded webengine.

jprjr_ 19d ago

For email - most people use the official app and assume they have to use it. You sign up for Gmail, you get the Gmail app. You sign up for Outlook, you get the Outlook app. 1 service = 1 app. For browser - on mobile most people use whatever the default browser on their device is. On desktop - Chrome. Pretty much everybody just downloads and uses Chrome.

jeroenhd 19d ago

Based on web browser statistics I've seen, most people use Chrome, some of them use Safari on their phones. There are also people who use Edge sometimes. But most people seem to use Chrome on every device, no matter how much I wish they didn't.

sailfast 19d ago
This comes from the before times when Internet Explorer was full of holes and Chrome was a usable browser with regular updates and before Firefox worked with all websites well. Google has since spent the time making Chrome more locked down and user-hostile from a privacy perspective but the conventional wisdom for years was “just use Chrome” (for good reason) and that inertia continues :/
jprjr_ 19d ago
Plus the sad reality is even if they're not using Chrome they're probably still using Chrome - most browsers are based on Chromium. You have Safari and Firefox, nearly everything else is just Chrome. Also last I checked - on iOS devices even if you use Chrome, you're really using Safari - I believe apple forces all web content to be rendered using the built-in WebKit.

hackmiester 19d ago

That is not true. Everyone uses Gmail. Everyone uses Chrome. This is true with literally less than 2% margin of error in many populations in the US.

pixelschubsi0 19d ago
Chrome (excl. Edge and Brave) is at 65% market share on US desktops. GMail is at 75% market share in the US.

InitialLastName 19d ago

What's the market share for non-system-default browsers and/or email clients?