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> Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I

by BeetleB 12d ago

> Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? > But even in the US, we have the green card (as you note) which you can get without doing H1-B. Getting a green card means your legal status isn't tied to employment. True, but we're talking about employment visas. What the US has is likely standard in most countries when you don't have permanent residence. Not to mention that many (most?) countries have a much more difficult path obtaining permanent residency compared to the US. You want to live there? Get an employment visa and stay on that visa forever.

cogman10 12d ago
> Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. So yes, it is the same, the US just isn't a part of the EU. The relationship between EU nations is much closer to the relationship (pre-trump) between the US and Canada. > True, but we're talking about employment visas. No, actually what you specifically asked for was > Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? A green card is not a visa, but it is a mechanism to go to a country for employment without having you legal status tied to a specific company.
- BeetleB 12d ago
  > If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. Yes, but the restrictions on which countries' citizens can be part of the H-1B program is tiny compared to the list of countries that cannot participate in the EU program you're mentioning. With the US, it's practically a rounding error (or was, at least pre-Trump). > No, actually what you specifically asked for was >> Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? Yes, I said "Going to a country for employment". If you have a green card, you are not going to the US for employment. You are in the US, or going to the US to receive the green card. Getting employment is incidental.

by BeetleB 12d ago

cogman10 12d ago

> Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. So yes, it is the same, the US just isn't a part of the EU. The relationship between EU nations is much closer to the relationship (pre-trump) between the US and Canada. > True, but we're talking about employment visas. No, actually what you specifically asked for was > Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? A green card is not a visa, but it is a mechanism to go to a country for employment without having you legal status tied to a specific company.

BeetleB 12d ago
> If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. Yes, but the restrictions on which countries' citizens can be part of the H-1B program is tiny compared to the list of countries that cannot participate in the EU program you're mentioning. With the US, it's practically a rounding error (or was, at least pre-Trump). > No, actually what you specifically asked for was >> Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? Yes, I said "Going to a country for employment". If you have a green card, you are not going to the US for employment. You are in the US, or going to the US to receive the green card. Getting employment is incidental.