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> What I do care about is the fact that H1-B locks immigrants to a company They're free to change companies if the new company sponsors them. It may reset the

by BeetleB 12d ago

> What I do care about is the fact that H1-B locks immigrants to a company They're free to change companies if the new company sponsors them. It may reset the timeline for applying for a green card, depending on the location and job type of the new job. Generally, if it's the same type of job in the same city, it doesn't reset. People (including Indians) do it all the time. Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples?

dominotw 12d ago
> Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? TN visa
- BeetleB 12d ago
  By counterexamples, I meant other countries where you get in via an employment visa and don't have your presence tied to the employer. TN visa is much more restrictive than H1B. Only for citizens of two countries, and only for certain professions. I know Canadians who have no hope of getting a TN visa (wrong profession), but have come on H1B.
  - dominotw 12d ago
    Its an example right? now you are shifting goalposts to be easily available to everyone or something.
    - BeetleB 12d ago
      I guess I wasn't being clear. The original comment I was responding to was: > What I do care about is the fact that H-1B locks immigrants to a company and tie their residence in the us to their employment. I am merely pointing out that most countries lock employment visas to the employer. It's fine not to like it, but I'm highlighting that this is pretty normal - the US is not an outlier.
      - dominotw 12d ago
        thats fine but what was your intention behind asking this > Do you know counterexamples?
        BeetleB 12d ago
        I answered that above: > By counterexamples, I meant other countries where you get in via an employment visa and don't have your presence tied to the employer.
cogman10 12d ago
> They're free to change companies if the new company sponsors them. That's a much smaller pool of companies. The company already has to be participating in the H1-B program in order to sponsor someone. > Do you know counterexamples? Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. But even in the US, we have the green card (as you note) which you can get without doing H1-B. Getting a green card means your legal status isn't tied to employment.
- BeetleB 12d ago
  > Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? > But even in the US, we have the green card (as you note) which you can get without doing H1-B. Getting a green card means your legal status isn't tied to employment. True, but we're talking about employment visas. What the US has is likely standard in most countries when you don't have permanent residence. Not to mention that many (most?) countries have a much more difficult path obtaining permanent residency compared to the US. You want to live there? Get an employment visa and stay on that visa forever.
  - cogman10 12d ago
    > Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. So yes, it is the same, the US just isn't a part of the EU. The relationship between EU nations is much closer to the relationship (pre-trump) between the US and Canada. > True, but we're talking about employment visas. No, actually what you specifically asked for was > Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? A green card is not a visa, but it is a mechanism to go to a country for employment without having you legal status tied to a specific company.
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SenHeng 12d ago
In Japan, your work visa belongs to you. You’re free to quit your job immediately upon getting your visa. It’s mandatory to notify immigration of changes to your employment status within 2 weeks but they’re not deporting you just because you switched jobs. I used to work as a contractor in the earlier stages of my career, that meant that sometimes jobs only lasted 3 months.

by BeetleB 12d ago

dominotw 12d ago

> Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? TN visa

BeetleB 12d ago
By counterexamples, I meant other countries where you get in via an employment visa and don't have your presence tied to the employer. TN visa is much more restrictive than H1B. Only for citizens of two countries, and only for certain professions. I know Canadians who have no hope of getting a TN visa (wrong profession), but have come on H1B.
- dominotw 12d ago
  Its an example right? now you are shifting goalposts to be easily available to everyone or something.
  - BeetleB 12d ago
    I guess I wasn't being clear. The original comment I was responding to was: > What I do care about is the fact that H-1B locks immigrants to a company and tie their residence in the us to their employment. I am merely pointing out that most countries lock employment visas to the employer. It's fine not to like it, but I'm highlighting that this is pretty normal - the US is not an outlier.
    - dominotw 12d ago
      thats fine but what was your intention behind asking this > Do you know counterexamples?
      - BeetleB 12d ago
        I answered that above: > By counterexamples, I meant other countries where you get in via an employment visa and don't have your presence tied to the employer.

cogman10 12d ago

> They're free to change companies if the new company sponsors them. That's a much smaller pool of companies. The company already has to be participating in the H1-B program in order to sponsor someone. > Do you know counterexamples? Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. But even in the US, we have the green card (as you note) which you can get without doing H1-B. Getting a green card means your legal status isn't tied to employment.

BeetleB 12d ago
> Most of them happen under the likes of the EU where citizens of member nations have the freedom to migrate. Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? > But even in the US, we have the green card (as you note) which you can get without doing H1-B. Getting a green card means your legal status isn't tied to employment. True, but we're talking about employment visas. What the US has is likely standard in most countries when you don't have permanent residence. Not to mention that many (most?) countries have a much more difficult path obtaining permanent residency compared to the US. You want to live there? Get an employment visa and stay on that visa forever.
- cogman10 12d ago
  > Yes, but this isn't the same. As a US citizen, I don't have that freedom in the EU, correct? If you are from Cuba, you don't have access to the H1-B program. All nations have restrictions one which nations can and can't participate in their immigration and to what extent. So yes, it is the same, the US just isn't a part of the EU. The relationship between EU nations is much closer to the relationship (pre-trump) between the US and Canada. > True, but we're talking about employment visas. No, actually what you specifically asked for was > Going to a country for employment and having your legal status tied to a company is pretty standard across the world. Do you know counterexamples? A green card is not a visa, but it is a mechanism to go to a country for employment without having you legal status tied to a specific company.
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SenHeng 12d ago

In Japan, your work visa belongs to you. You’re free to quit your job immediately upon getting your visa. It’s mandatory to notify immigration of changes to your employment status within 2 weeks but they’re not deporting you just because you switched jobs. I used to work as a contractor in the earlier stages of my career, that meant that sometimes jobs only lasted 3 months.