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5 years old is crazy, but by the time they are 15-16 it becomes difficult to restrict them from things their peers all do. There needs to be a wider push from a

5 years old is crazy, but by the time they are 15-16 it becomes difficult to restrict them from things their peers all do. There needs to be a wider push from all parents or more of a consensus from society that these platforms are dangerous.

Grombobulous 12d ago
Yes, the platforms need to be regulated more for minors. But also, prohibition has never been a very effective method with teens. Just look at how college kids drink when they get to college. The sudden removal of parental restriction has a lot to do with that if you ask me. I think this is better approached with broad education, and stronger regulations on the platforms themselves. Part of the problem is that many parents aren’t educated themselves about what is good and bad for their kids. Examples include things like nutrition, screen time, even simple stuff like when to wean from bottles and keeping suffocation risks out of cribs.
- Forgeties79 12d ago
  > Part of the problem is that many parents aren’t educated themselves about what is good and bad for their kids. Examples include things like nutrition, screen time, even simple stuff like when to wean from bottles and keeping suffocation risks out of cribs. I would argue that more is being asked now of parents than in previous decades at least. You’re asking every parent to fight multi-billion dollar international addiction platforms on top of working, parenting, etc.
  - Grombobulous 12d ago
    I totally agree with you, and that’s where platform regulation and privacy regulation has been failing parents. Most people really can’t fathom the amount of data that tech platforms are slurping up, and they can’t fathom the sophistication of the data science that goes on involving their content feeds and data and metadata collection/targeting.
- intended 12d ago
  Drinking is down for young adults and teens. My pet theory is that Covid broke the chain of party and drinking culture being passed down. (This is entirely speculative, and based on a single chart I saw.) The relevance to your point being that removal of parental restrictions don't seem to be doing that anymore. Education is definitely a good idea, but do note any plan that depends on education gives up the next 5-10 years before results are seen. Works great for societies and countries that think that far ahead. America in particular has an extra challenge, since Big Tech is based here, and threats to revenue streams will be met with immense opposition.
  - esseph 12d ago
    > Drinking is down for young adults and teens. My pet theory is that Covid broke the chain of party and drinking culture being passed down. Weed took its place.
    - esseph 12d ago
      Edit: study above says I am wrong in that it hasn't been a 1:1 exchange of alcohol for thc
      - asdff 12d ago
        Yeah theres also way more whippets now
        esseph 12d ago
        I haven't seen one since 2001. They don't have any of the paraphernalia around here in head shops either.
        asdff 11d ago
        I see them all the time on the side of the road from people tossing them out of their cars. Massive tanks too like bigger than a 2 liter of coke with all sorts of flavors, even with a hand strap.
ryandrake 12d ago
You're not going to achieve coordinated, collective action by placing the burden of acting on the individual. It never works. If collective action has to happen to solve some problem, it needs to either 1. be so strongly incentivized such that it's the only sensible thing for individuals to do, or 2. be mandated top-down and enforced. You can't just shout "My solution relies on everyone independently doing X!" It never works.
- izzydata 12d ago
  I agree that probably won't happen that way. There also won't be much in the way of regulation until society slowly realizes the dangers. I think we are currently in the process of finding out now that there have been people on social media from birth and are now adult members of society.

Grombobulous 12d ago

Yes, the platforms need to be regulated more for minors. But also, prohibition has never been a very effective method with teens. Just look at how college kids drink when they get to college. The sudden removal of parental restriction has a lot to do with that if you ask me. I think this is better approached with broad education, and stronger regulations on the platforms themselves. Part of the problem is that many parents aren’t educated themselves about what is good and bad for their kids. Examples include things like nutrition, screen time, even simple stuff like when to wean from bottles and keeping suffocation risks out of cribs.

Forgeties79 12d ago
> Part of the problem is that many parents aren’t educated themselves about what is good and bad for their kids. Examples include things like nutrition, screen time, even simple stuff like when to wean from bottles and keeping suffocation risks out of cribs. I would argue that more is being asked now of parents than in previous decades at least. You’re asking every parent to fight multi-billion dollar international addiction platforms on top of working, parenting, etc.
- Grombobulous 12d ago
  I totally agree with you, and that’s where platform regulation and privacy regulation has been failing parents. Most people really can’t fathom the amount of data that tech platforms are slurping up, and they can’t fathom the sophistication of the data science that goes on involving their content feeds and data and metadata collection/targeting.
intended 12d ago
Drinking is down for young adults and teens. My pet theory is that Covid broke the chain of party and drinking culture being passed down. (This is entirely speculative, and based on a single chart I saw.) The relevance to your point being that removal of parental restrictions don't seem to be doing that anymore. Education is definitely a good idea, but do note any plan that depends on education gives up the next 5-10 years before results are seen. Works great for societies and countries that think that far ahead. America in particular has an extra challenge, since Big Tech is based here, and threats to revenue streams will be met with immense opposition.
- esseph 12d ago
  > Drinking is down for young adults and teens. My pet theory is that Covid broke the chain of party and drinking culture being passed down. Weed took its place.
  - esseph 12d ago
    Edit: study above says I am wrong in that it hasn't been a 1:1 exchange of alcohol for thc
    - asdff 12d ago
      Yeah theres also way more whippets now
      - esseph 12d ago
        I haven't seen one since 2001. They don't have any of the paraphernalia around here in head shops either.
        asdff 11d ago
        I see them all the time on the side of the road from people tossing them out of their cars. Massive tanks too like bigger than a 2 liter of coke with all sorts of flavors, even with a hand strap.

ryandrake 12d ago

You're not going to achieve coordinated, collective action by placing the burden of acting on the individual. It never works. If collective action has to happen to solve some problem, it needs to either 1. be so strongly incentivized such that it's the only sensible thing for individuals to do, or 2. be mandated top-down and enforced. You can't just shout "My solution relies on everyone independently doing X!" It never works.

izzydata 12d ago
I agree that probably won't happen that way. There also won't be much in the way of regulation until society slowly realizes the dangers. I think we are currently in the process of finding out now that there have been people on social media from birth and are now adult members of society.