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"At some point in this period, they go on, Rockstar management got hold of logins for the server, with Rockstar's vice president of information security Abid An

"At some point in this period, they go on, Rockstar management got hold of logins for the server, with Rockstar's vice president of information security Abid Ansari eventually signing in to download 'the contents of the Announcements and General channels'. Rockstar began firing members of the Discord at the end of the month." Is this legal in the UK?

roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago
Sounds like a crime. They took credentials that was not theirs and used them to gain unauthorized access and then stole all the content.
- limagnolia 1mo ago
  The article isn't clear on if the credentials were theirs or not, or how Rockstar management obtained them. It is possible that Rockstar management simply signed up for a Discord account and went through the process to request access, which was then granted to them by the Discord server admins. Since the server admins used the company Slack to verify that folks requesting to join were employees, it seems quite plausible that is what happened. But the details aren't really there in the article.
  - johnnyanmac 1mo ago
    I hope the union admins weren't foolish enough to let in management that way. My best faith assumption is that the mole got in, grabbed the content, and shared their account with management. That still feels like a form of entrapment, though. Unless this story is fuzzy and the mole themselves simply shared the chat logs hemselves. But the story makes it sound like the Abid Ansari himself got in.
    - limagnolia 1mo ago
      Entrapment is usually defined as when the investigator encourages the accused to commit the crime, in such a way that they were not already predispositioned to do so. If the management employee encouraged others on the forum to share company secrets, that might be entrapment, but simply being there and catching them in the act is not. I suppose more information will come out in court, if the matter is settled beforehand.
  - suburban_strike 1mo ago
    All you'd have to do is grab a PAT from a terminated employee's workstation and you'd have access to anything they did, in their name, until it expires.
    - foobarchu 1mo ago
      That would be stealing credentials, they were arguing they might have obtained them legitimately.
      - suburban_strike 1mo ago
        I, too, would argue I obtained them legitimately, by giving Claude access to the filesystem image and asking it questions it could only answer by doing exactly this.
    - limagnolia 1mo ago
      Another good reason why you shouldn't use company property for personal stuff, especially not for union organizing activities.
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roosterIllusi0n 1mo ago

Sounds like a crime. They took credentials that was not theirs and used them to gain unauthorized access and then stole all the content.

limagnolia 1mo ago
The article isn't clear on if the credentials were theirs or not, or how Rockstar management obtained them. It is possible that Rockstar management simply signed up for a Discord account and went through the process to request access, which was then granted to them by the Discord server admins. Since the server admins used the company Slack to verify that folks requesting to join were employees, it seems quite plausible that is what happened. But the details aren't really there in the article.
- johnnyanmac 1mo ago
  I hope the union admins weren't foolish enough to let in management that way. My best faith assumption is that the mole got in, grabbed the content, and shared their account with management. That still feels like a form of entrapment, though. Unless this story is fuzzy and the mole themselves simply shared the chat logs hemselves. But the story makes it sound like the Abid Ansari himself got in.
  - limagnolia 1mo ago
    Entrapment is usually defined as when the investigator encourages the accused to commit the crime, in such a way that they were not already predispositioned to do so. If the management employee encouraged others on the forum to share company secrets, that might be entrapment, but simply being there and catching them in the act is not. I suppose more information will come out in court, if the matter is settled beforehand.
- suburban_strike 1mo ago
  All you'd have to do is grab a PAT from a terminated employee's workstation and you'd have access to anything they did, in their name, until it expires.
  - foobarchu 1mo ago
    That would be stealing credentials, they were arguing they might have obtained them legitimately.
    - suburban_strike 1mo ago
      I, too, would argue I obtained them legitimately, by giving Claude access to the filesystem image and asking it questions it could only answer by doing exactly this.
  - limagnolia 1mo ago
    Another good reason why you shouldn't use company property for personal stuff, especially not for union organizing activities.
- 486sx33 1mo ago
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strathmeyer 1mo ago
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