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Oh yes, sorry. General purpose. I edited the comment.

by roenxi 18d ago

mitxela 17d ago
There are no general-purpose ASICs, it's like saying a hot ice cube.
- roenxi 17d ago
  You're the one who called a CPU an ASIC. Seems pretty general purpose, it's a Turing machine simulator. And hot ice cubes are a thing. They've made ice at up to 650K if the wiki phase diagram is any indicator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.sv...
  - mitxela 16d ago
    Do you understand why Monero's mining algorithm is designed the way it is? If you design a chip to be optimal for mining Monero, you create a shitty CPU that performs 2% better than an ordinary CPU at mining Monero. You may as well use an ordinary CPU to mine Monero, because it can do other things too.
    - roenxi 16d ago
      Well, yes. I do. Why do you want to consider mining Monero with a shitty custom CPU? That's a bit of a non-sequitur and I don't see the relevance to the thread. We've been in furious agreement on that point for about 4 posts now and I'm not sure where you're trying to go with it. I'm going to reiterate that you are the one who started calling a CPU an ASIC, I'm was just trying to match your language to be friendly. A CPU is technically as ASIC for a certain class of computable functions, so if you want to call it that I'm happy to as well. If you don't want to call it an ASIC we don't have to, we can just call it a CPU.
      - mitxela 16d ago
        To repeat what apparently caused you to start this stupid argument: > A Monero mining ASIC is called a CPU, by design. This is true. If you make a Monero mining ASIC, then you have made a shitty CPU. Off-the-shelf CPUs are the best possible chips for mining Monero with, and this is by design. The Monero hash function works by generating random programs and then running them, so that you need to have a CPU to generate hashes, and all of the optimisations in a CPU benefit Monero hashing. If you build a chip that does this, you have built a CPU. It's even built so that the instruction set is irrelevant, because the same program is run thousands of times before a new one is generated, making the overhead of translating it to any needed instruction set negligible.

Oh yes, sorry. General purpose. I edited the comment.

by roenxi 18d ago

Oh yes, sorry. General purpose. I edited the comment.

mitxela 17d ago

There are no general-purpose ASICs, it's like saying a hot ice cube.

roenxi 17d ago
You're the one who called a CPU an ASIC. Seems pretty general purpose, it's a Turing machine simulator. And hot ice cubes are a thing. They've made ice at up to 650K if the wiki phase diagram is any indicator https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.svg https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Phase_diagram_of_water.sv...
- mitxela 16d ago
  Do you understand why Monero's mining algorithm is designed the way it is? If you design a chip to be optimal for mining Monero, you create a shitty CPU that performs 2% better than an ordinary CPU at mining Monero. You may as well use an ordinary CPU to mine Monero, because it can do other things too.
  - roenxi 16d ago
    Well, yes. I do. Why do you want to consider mining Monero with a shitty custom CPU? That's a bit of a non-sequitur and I don't see the relevance to the thread. We've been in furious agreement on that point for about 4 posts now and I'm not sure where you're trying to go with it. I'm going to reiterate that you are the one who started calling a CPU an ASIC, I'm was just trying to match your language to be friendly. A CPU is technically as ASIC for a certain class of computable functions, so if you want to call it that I'm happy to as well. If you don't want to call it an ASIC we don't have to, we can just call it a CPU.
    - mitxela 16d ago
      To repeat what apparently caused you to start this stupid argument: > A Monero mining ASIC is called a CPU, by design. This is true. If you make a Monero mining ASIC, then you have made a shitty CPU. Off-the-shelf CPUs are the best possible chips for mining Monero with, and this is by design. The Monero hash function works by generating random programs and then running them, so that you need to have a CPU to generate hashes, and all of the optimisations in a CPU benefit Monero hashing. If you build a chip that does this, you have built a CPU. It's even built so that the instruction set is irrelevant, because the same program is run thousands of times before a new one is generated, making the overhead of translating it to any needed instruction set negligible.