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I think Python is one of the easiest languages to pick up with a plethora of content available to start. Yet I have seen some crunch in number python programmer

I think Python is one of the easiest languages to pick up with a plethora of content available to start. Yet I have seen some crunch in number python programmers in the market lately. Companies struggling to hire python guys. Not sure why?

talloaktrees 14y ago
This is funny. When I started learning programming with Python last year I kept reading about the scarcity of python jobs. Did it change so fast?
- elbear 14y ago
  I think there aren't that many Python jobs compared to Java, PHP, C#, but they're starting to increase. It is strange to me as well, that I see so many people passionate about Python and, at the same time, I hear so many companies having difficulties finding Python devs. One reason could be that the interest in Python varies by country. For example, in Romania there are very few Python programmers. Secondly, maybe the companies have too high expectations, asking for front and back-end experience and maybe even some low-level skills (C, C++).
- codingblues 14y ago
  Ever heard of Paul Graham's Python Paradox http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html its a little old but still awesome and relevent
  - mattdeboard 14y ago
    It's relevant if you replace Python with something newer.
codingblues 14y ago
really trumps me... almost every coder I have ever met who has tried hands on python loves it...(easy to see why) and there isn't any scarcity of em. yet, its proving difficult to find a python guy to hire for our startup...
- neuroguy 14y ago
  Where are you looking? There is a massive community of python developers on linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=25827 http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=25827
  - codingblues 14y ago
    I realize it was pretty dumb of me to forget about linkedin groups... thanks. But the fact still holds (atleast in my country, India... scenario might be different for different countries or even localities) 'number of coders in java' > 'number of coders in python'
    - neuroguy 14y ago
      Not dumb. I only discovered Linkedin Python groups yesterday. I didn't mean to come off as condescending.
      - codingblues 14y ago
        It's cool... that wasn't condescending. I actually never thought of my linkedin connections/groups as potential co-workers...
        swapnilt 14y ago
        Not very surprising. When I think of connections, I rarely think of Linkedin. I don't know what sucks about it, but something surely does :)
    - gits1225 14y ago
      PyCon India and foss.in are good events to meet passionate developers. Likewise, local developer meetups (like Bangpypers; Banglore python group), are another great venues. ``'number of coders in java' > 'number of coders in python' Well, that is a no-brainer, since its the most popular language taught in colleges with C++ a close second. That said, there are a _lot_ of smarties coming out of colleges and its just a matter of polishing the diamonds in the rough before they get 'lured in' by low paying IT companies. I don't see why Joel Spolsky's tactic of 'snatching' promising young talents before even hitting their final year in college won't work; albeit a little work from your part.
maskedinvader 14y ago
trumps me too, We have a similar situation in my team, trying to find someone with even little python experience is becoming a painful task
biscarch 14y ago
I've also found Python incredibly easy to pick up, but that may be because it's my nth language and not my 1st, 2nd, etc
- swapnilt 14y ago
  Nope. Its far more easier than C++, Java. I'd say even easier than other in its league such as Perl, Ruby, etc. but that would be argued I know. But no doubt, its a good candidate for 1st language.
companyhen 14y ago
I started a job as a web designer in Dec 2011 only knowning HTML/CSS. I picked up a little PHP and JS knowledge.. not much, but working with WordPress it kind of just happens. I tried Learn Python the Hard Way, but when I finished the book I didn't feel like I had the skills to start a project, so I read the Django Book. I am more of a designer than a developer, I really want to get over the hump and start writing code that can do the things I envision. I've tried codecademy, which is helpful, but I still don't feel I'm there yet. I have started a "web app", but I got stuck on a few features I want to add, so I'm stalling on those. I'd really appreciate any guidance! No formal education, all self taught. I have grown immensely as a web designer over the past year, but my programming skills aren't growing nearly as fast...or at all anymore.
- elbear 14y ago
  How are you seeking help when you get stuck? It's really important to have someone that can help you go over the big hurdles. It doesn't have to be a specific person in particular. You can go on irc.freenode.org #python and ask questions there. People are helpful most of the time.
  - companyhen 14y ago
    Thanks. I've just been checking StackOverflow, and I hang out on IRC from time to time.. I had a programming mentor who I met via Reddit, but he went MIA on helping me out after a few months payment. :[
    - neuroguy 14y ago
      Find programming projects that you want to work on, and just start programming. Sometimes you will need to look up how to do X every line and sometimes every 5 lines, but the way to learn to program is by getting started and getting used to structures and control.
    - elbear 14y ago
      I would help you, but I don't know how much free time I'll have in the future. You can e-mail me your questions and I'll answer when I can. If I think that some of the answers can be found by googling, I'll tell you so, and I'll give you explanations where I think they're needed. This makes me think that a program that connects mentors and students would be very useful. I'm not necessarily thinking of it as a money-making endeavour, but some resources need to be found to make the project self-sustainable.
lazyjones 14y ago
Possibly because the demand has increased? We're a Perl shop and have absolutely no chance of finding professional developers on the market, we've actually considered switching to Python (despite the language's similar to Perl deficiencies: multithreading (GIL) and lacking performance, but I digress), but I suppose we won't be any more successful trying to hire people if we do (this is my impression from looking at job offers and talking to students). Seems like the only choices for now are Java and PHP, at least here in Austria - and I'll probably stop programming myself if we switch to any of these.
orangethirty 14y ago
If anyone is struggling to find Python programmers shoo tme an email. I know of a couple.
- mattdeboard 14y ago
  The problem is that it's easy to find people who put "Python" on their resume. Hard to find people who are good at it.
  - deleted 14y ago
    [deleted]
  - orangethirty 14y ago
    True. I'm one of those true Python guys. That's why I know of others. Nuuton is being build with Python (Django for the front end of things). And I'm currently building an ad platform with it. So, if anyone needs to find good Python programmers from a Python programmer, let me know.

talloaktrees 14y ago

This is funny. When I started learning programming with Python last year I kept reading about the scarcity of python jobs. Did it change so fast?

elbear 14y ago
I think there aren't that many Python jobs compared to Java, PHP, C#, but they're starting to increase. It is strange to me as well, that I see so many people passionate about Python and, at the same time, I hear so many companies having difficulties finding Python devs. One reason could be that the interest in Python varies by country. For example, in Romania there are very few Python programmers. Secondly, maybe the companies have too high expectations, asking for front and back-end experience and maybe even some low-level skills (C, C++).
codingblues 14y ago
Ever heard of Paul Graham's Python Paradox http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html http://www.paulgraham.com/pypar.html its a little old but still awesome and relevent
- mattdeboard 14y ago
  It's relevant if you replace Python with something newer.

codingblues 14y ago

really trumps me... almost every coder I have ever met who has tried hands on python loves it...(easy to see why) and there isn't any scarcity of em. yet, its proving difficult to find a python guy to hire for our startup...

neuroguy 14y ago
Where are you looking? There is a massive community of python developers on linkedin: http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=25827 http://www.linkedin.com/groups?gid=25827
- codingblues 14y ago
  I realize it was pretty dumb of me to forget about linkedin groups... thanks. But the fact still holds (atleast in my country, India... scenario might be different for different countries or even localities) 'number of coders in java' > 'number of coders in python'
  - neuroguy 14y ago
    Not dumb. I only discovered Linkedin Python groups yesterday. I didn't mean to come off as condescending.
    - codingblues 14y ago
      It's cool... that wasn't condescending. I actually never thought of my linkedin connections/groups as potential co-workers...
      - swapnilt 14y ago
        Not very surprising. When I think of connections, I rarely think of Linkedin. I don't know what sucks about it, but something surely does :)
  - gits1225 14y ago
    PyCon India and foss.in are good events to meet passionate developers. Likewise, local developer meetups (like Bangpypers; Banglore python group), are another great venues. ``'number of coders in java' > 'number of coders in python' Well, that is a no-brainer, since its the most popular language taught in colleges with C++ a close second. That said, there are a _lot_ of smarties coming out of colleges and its just a matter of polishing the diamonds in the rough before they get 'lured in' by low paying IT companies. I don't see why Joel Spolsky's tactic of 'snatching' promising young talents before even hitting their final year in college won't work; albeit a little work from your part.

maskedinvader 14y ago

trumps me too, We have a similar situation in my team, trying to find someone with even little python experience is becoming a painful task

biscarch 14y ago

I've also found Python incredibly easy to pick up, but that may be because it's my nth language and not my 1st, 2nd, etc

swapnilt 14y ago
Nope. Its far more easier than C++, Java. I'd say even easier than other in its league such as Perl, Ruby, etc. but that would be argued I know. But no doubt, its a good candidate for 1st language.

companyhen 14y ago

I started a job as a web designer in Dec 2011 only knowning HTML/CSS. I picked up a little PHP and JS knowledge.. not much, but working with WordPress it kind of just happens. I tried Learn Python the Hard Way, but when I finished the book I didn't feel like I had the skills to start a project, so I read the Django Book. I am more of a designer than a developer, I really want to get over the hump and start writing code that can do the things I envision. I've tried codecademy, which is helpful, but I still don't feel I'm there yet. I have started a "web app", but I got stuck on a few features I want to add, so I'm stalling on those. I'd really appreciate any guidance! No formal education, all self taught. I have grown immensely as a web designer over the past year, but my programming skills aren't growing nearly as fast...or at all anymore.

elbear 14y ago
How are you seeking help when you get stuck? It's really important to have someone that can help you go over the big hurdles. It doesn't have to be a specific person in particular. You can go on irc.freenode.org #python and ask questions there. People are helpful most of the time.
- companyhen 14y ago
  Thanks. I've just been checking StackOverflow, and I hang out on IRC from time to time.. I had a programming mentor who I met via Reddit, but he went MIA on helping me out after a few months payment. :[
  - neuroguy 14y ago
    Find programming projects that you want to work on, and just start programming. Sometimes you will need to look up how to do X every line and sometimes every 5 lines, but the way to learn to program is by getting started and getting used to structures and control.
  - elbear 14y ago
    I would help you, but I don't know how much free time I'll have in the future. You can e-mail me your questions and I'll answer when I can. If I think that some of the answers can be found by googling, I'll tell you so, and I'll give you explanations where I think they're needed. This makes me think that a program that connects mentors and students would be very useful. I'm not necessarily thinking of it as a money-making endeavour, but some resources need to be found to make the project self-sustainable.

lazyjones 14y ago

Possibly because the demand has increased? We're a Perl shop and have absolutely no chance of finding professional developers on the market, we've actually considered switching to Python (despite the language's similar to Perl deficiencies: multithreading (GIL) and lacking performance, but I digress), but I suppose we won't be any more successful trying to hire people if we do (this is my impression from looking at job offers and talking to students). Seems like the only choices for now are Java and PHP, at least here in Austria - and I'll probably stop programming myself if we switch to any of these.

orangethirty 14y ago

If anyone is struggling to find Python programmers shoo tme an email. I know of a couple.

mattdeboard 14y ago
The problem is that it's easy to find people who put "Python" on their resume. Hard to find people who are good at it.
- deleted 14y ago
  [deleted]
- orangethirty 14y ago
  True. I'm one of those true Python guys. That's why I know of others. Nuuton is being build with Python (Django for the front end of things). And I'm currently building an ad platform with it. So, if anyone needs to find good Python programmers from a Python programmer, let me know.