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Patriots love their big trucks. More oil = owning the lib vegans.

by chneu 13d ago

johng 13d ago
Lots of people haul things. The US is huge compared to what most people expect. Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life.
- readthenotes1 13d ago
  That may be true. However it does not explain how many people have big trucks that are never used as trucks
  - tonyhart7 13d ago
    they want big vehicles to carry their big ego
- bobthepanda 13d ago
  The vast majority of pickups are not actually used for workmen like purposes. In fact, as carmakers have started pivoting more towards selling them to affluent suburban households, the usable cargo volume has decreased over time despite increasing size.
- 6SixTy 13d ago
  Right, but seeing trucks obviously not set up for towing or hauling is becoming more common nowadays. With the level of luxury trims available on some trucks now, it's obvious that they aren't a necessity anymore. This is on top of trucks prioritizing 4 door models and taking bites out of the truck bed
  - ebbi 13d ago
    Same trend here in NZ. People buying utes/trucks just because they want, not because they need. They're not as big as the American F150s etc, more a Toyota Hilux or Ford Ranger. And they're often driven by reckless road ragers, often modified with uncertified suspension, bush lights turned on at night blinding oncoming traffic, and wheels extending past the fender flares. These vehicles are often financed to the hilt, so spending money on certifying the modifications is out of the picture, so a lot of these are not legal to drive on the roads.
    - 6SixTy 13d ago
      Remember that the US is it's own market with different regulations and has a complicated history with imports, so no Hilux. Though it does look like the Ranger is externally the same between NZ and US. I'm not counting maybe 1mm as different. I am somewhat familiar with a Ute since I've seen Subaru Bajas before. Not old enough to see Subaru Brats around or El Caminos. It does seem like those people are emulating Americans though a lot of those mods are passable without certification, and it's up to a cop to pull over people using bush lights (they probably won't).
      - ebbi 13d ago
        My comment wasn't necessarily to talk about model parity across markets - more to highlight the growing trend of people buying large utility vehicles with a tray as a fashion statement (for lack of a better term) than for its utility. > "a lot of those mods are passable without certification" Not true. Besides the bush lights, any changes in suspension and wheel size require a certification, with a LVVTA cert plate attached to the vehicle. There is definitely a case of double standards with police enforcement. 'Boy racers' with modified coupes and sedans - typically lowered, with larger wheels - get way police scrutiny compared to utes with obviously illegal modifications like colored lights, and wheels jutting out past the fenders.
        6SixTy 12d ago
        My bad, I meant in the US.
      - anon7725 12d ago
        > so no Hilux Isn't that just a Toyota Tacoma?
        6SixTy 9d ago
        Tacoma is longer and wider by about 100mm. The Tacoma shares a platform with the Prado, no 2 door/2 seat option (anymore), no chassis cab, no diesel. Heard that it uses C channel frame, while the Hilux is fully boxed, so the payload is significantly better on the Hilux. Sell sheet for the Tacoma vs the Hilux on Wikipedia states that there's an increased focus on ride quality over the Hilux, which was developed for the US market.
- brnt 13d ago
  Lots of people haul things everywhere. Driving a truck as your main vehicle because you haul something twice a month is ridiculously wasteful, of money foremost. I have a small trailer, rent a bigger one or van when needed.
- delta_p_delta_x 13d ago
  Things can be hauled just fine in an estate, saloon, or even a hatchback. European camper vans are regularly hauled by tiny Golfs or Polos with barely a litre of engine displacement and a hundred kilowatts of power. Americans just buy much bigger vehicles than necessary.
  - snypher 13d ago
    >Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life. You might have missed this part. My round bales are 1000kg, and the field gets wet. How do I move the goats? How do I pull someone out of that ditch where the sign says 15mph but every winter they slide through my fence?
    - well_ackshually 13d ago
      With anything but an F350. How did farmers do anything before Ford saved them with the worst trucks to ever exist, truly a wonder.
    - cr3ative 13d ago
      A tractor, probably.
      - twineorwire 13d ago
        Grew up in farm country and on a (hobby) cattle farm, can confirm, the best tool for between two and three[1] of those is a tractor. Though yes obviously if you have an actual working farm, in any capacity, you need a truck that can tow trailers with decent weight on them. I have noticed truck ownership patterns vary with region, which may be why some people bristle at the notion that vanity-driven truck ownership is common. It's extremely common in the Midwest, city suburbs are full of people who bought an expensive truck either because that's the purchase that'll get them positive attention from their peers at work or in their friend group (and because other options for show-off cars might get them ribbing instead of kudos) or for aspirations they'll never fulfill ("yeah, I'll totally tow a boat to the lake every weekend! Maybe I'll even buy a fifth-wheel camper!" then they end up doing it like twice a year and never buy the camper). It's less common in (at least large parts of) the Northeast. The "I have a nice car people may comment positively on or otherwise approve of" purchases here swing more Volvo and Audi and such, even out in what the locals consider the "country" (it's... not, LOL). [1] Where are the goats being hauled? Just on your property, between fields? To somewhere farther away? On roads? How far on roads? Truck still might be the wrong tool, or at least not better.
- LeBit 13d ago
  What do you think is the % of people having F150 that really do need F150?
  - 9x39 13d ago
    What % of people who have wealth really need that wealth?
    - LeBit 13d ago
      Not sure I follow.
      - 9x39 12d ago
        Apart from feigned ignorance, a common trope is arguing X vehicle isn’t used optimally in a way they agree with and thus isn’t necessary to own. I was pointing out the logical destination of this.
        LeBit 12d ago
        Numerous stats show truck owners don’t use their trucks to tow or haul stuff. At least 50% don’t need a truck. There is maybe a 30% that do use their trucks to actually tow and haul on a regular basis. Imagine replacing 50% of pick up trucks with fuel efficient or EV vehicules.
        johncearls 12d ago
        But how much of what you own is do you actually "need." People are welcome to do with there money things that simply make them happy. That is a good and proper use of money. This would be a very boring life indeed if people were only allowed to own things that others decided they need.
        johng 12d ago
        It's wild to see all these people clowning on truck owners... and then say they are going to buy two 5090's for local AI even though they know it's less efficient than a cloud and don't necessarily need the privacy aspect of it... but want to do it just "cuz" . The hypocrisy here is amazing.
- throw0101a 13d ago
  > Lots of people haul things. Not with pick-up trucks they don't: > Nearly 90 percent of truck buyers said they never use their truck for business towing, as a mobile office, or as a work site. Yet nearly 40 percent said they drive their truck strictly for pleasure at least once a week. * https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/capability-by-numbers-what-most-buyers-actually-use-their-trucks-for/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/capability-by-numbers-what... * https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-use-them https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-... And these are self-reported numbers: what people say about their own behaviour(s). > Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life. For something like ~90% of pick-up owners that is grocery shopping and errands. As one headline put it, most folks don't need a pick-up truck but rather a cowboy costume: > But, as it turns out, a significant portion of truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less. * https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... People would do better to buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, and use the money saved to rent a truck (or van) the few times a year they need those specific capabilities. They'd probably save money, and we'd probably have fewer dead people and children as well: * https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visibility-than-a-ford-super-duty/ https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visib...
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bak3y 13d ago
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- isolatedsystem 13d ago
  Great! Hope that works out for you! You seem competent at making sound decisions.
shoobiedoo 13d ago
Not everything has to be political. I live in Japan and raised SUV's with max-grip tires are all the rage here. Just total, 100% useless vanity that wastes fuel for nothing. Flexing useless crap as a status symbol is as old as time

Patriots love their big trucks. More oil = owning the lib vegans.

by chneu 13d ago

Patriots love their big trucks. More oil = owning the lib vegans.

johng 13d ago

Lots of people haul things. The US is huge compared to what most people expect. Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life.

readthenotes1 13d ago
That may be true. However it does not explain how many people have big trucks that are never used as trucks
- tonyhart7 13d ago
  they want big vehicles to carry their big ego
bobthepanda 13d ago
The vast majority of pickups are not actually used for workmen like purposes. In fact, as carmakers have started pivoting more towards selling them to affluent suburban households, the usable cargo volume has decreased over time despite increasing size.
6SixTy 13d ago
Right, but seeing trucks obviously not set up for towing or hauling is becoming more common nowadays. With the level of luxury trims available on some trucks now, it's obvious that they aren't a necessity anymore. This is on top of trucks prioritizing 4 door models and taking bites out of the truck bed
- ebbi 13d ago
  Same trend here in NZ. People buying utes/trucks just because they want, not because they need. They're not as big as the American F150s etc, more a Toyota Hilux or Ford Ranger. And they're often driven by reckless road ragers, often modified with uncertified suspension, bush lights turned on at night blinding oncoming traffic, and wheels extending past the fender flares. These vehicles are often financed to the hilt, so spending money on certifying the modifications is out of the picture, so a lot of these are not legal to drive on the roads.
  - 6SixTy 13d ago
    Remember that the US is it's own market with different regulations and has a complicated history with imports, so no Hilux. Though it does look like the Ranger is externally the same between NZ and US. I'm not counting maybe 1mm as different. I am somewhat familiar with a Ute since I've seen Subaru Bajas before. Not old enough to see Subaru Brats around or El Caminos. It does seem like those people are emulating Americans though a lot of those mods are passable without certification, and it's up to a cop to pull over people using bush lights (they probably won't).
    - ebbi 13d ago
      My comment wasn't necessarily to talk about model parity across markets - more to highlight the growing trend of people buying large utility vehicles with a tray as a fashion statement (for lack of a better term) than for its utility. > "a lot of those mods are passable without certification" Not true. Besides the bush lights, any changes in suspension and wheel size require a certification, with a LVVTA cert plate attached to the vehicle. There is definitely a case of double standards with police enforcement. 'Boy racers' with modified coupes and sedans - typically lowered, with larger wheels - get way police scrutiny compared to utes with obviously illegal modifications like colored lights, and wheels jutting out past the fenders.
      - 6SixTy 12d ago
        My bad, I meant in the US.
    - anon7725 12d ago
      > so no Hilux Isn't that just a Toyota Tacoma?
      - 6SixTy 9d ago
        Tacoma is longer and wider by about 100mm. The Tacoma shares a platform with the Prado, no 2 door/2 seat option (anymore), no chassis cab, no diesel. Heard that it uses C channel frame, while the Hilux is fully boxed, so the payload is significantly better on the Hilux. Sell sheet for the Tacoma vs the Hilux on Wikipedia states that there's an increased focus on ride quality over the Hilux, which was developed for the US market.
brnt 13d ago
Lots of people haul things everywhere. Driving a truck as your main vehicle because you haul something twice a month is ridiculously wasteful, of money foremost. I have a small trailer, rent a bigger one or van when needed.
delta_p_delta_x 13d ago
Things can be hauled just fine in an estate, saloon, or even a hatchback. European camper vans are regularly hauled by tiny Golfs or Polos with barely a litre of engine displacement and a hundred kilowatts of power. Americans just buy much bigger vehicles than necessary.
- snypher 13d ago
  >Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life. You might have missed this part. My round bales are 1000kg, and the field gets wet. How do I move the goats? How do I pull someone out of that ditch where the sign says 15mph but every winter they slide through my fence?
  - well_ackshually 13d ago
    With anything but an F350. How did farmers do anything before Ford saved them with the worst trucks to ever exist, truly a wonder.
  - cr3ative 13d ago
    A tractor, probably.
    - twineorwire 13d ago
      Grew up in farm country and on a (hobby) cattle farm, can confirm, the best tool for between two and three[1] of those is a tractor. Though yes obviously if you have an actual working farm, in any capacity, you need a truck that can tow trailers with decent weight on them. I have noticed truck ownership patterns vary with region, which may be why some people bristle at the notion that vanity-driven truck ownership is common. It's extremely common in the Midwest, city suburbs are full of people who bought an expensive truck either because that's the purchase that'll get them positive attention from their peers at work or in their friend group (and because other options for show-off cars might get them ribbing instead of kudos) or for aspirations they'll never fulfill ("yeah, I'll totally tow a boat to the lake every weekend! Maybe I'll even buy a fifth-wheel camper!" then they end up doing it like twice a year and never buy the camper). It's less common in (at least large parts of) the Northeast. The "I have a nice car people may comment positively on or otherwise approve of" purchases here swing more Volvo and Audi and such, even out in what the locals consider the "country" (it's... not, LOL). [1] Where are the goats being hauled? Just on your property, between fields? To somewhere farther away? On roads? How far on roads? Truck still might be the wrong tool, or at least not better.
LeBit 13d ago
What do you think is the % of people having F150 that really do need F150?
- 9x39 13d ago
  What % of people who have wealth really need that wealth?
  - LeBit 13d ago
    Not sure I follow.
    - 9x39 12d ago
      Apart from feigned ignorance, a common trope is arguing X vehicle isn’t used optimally in a way they agree with and thus isn’t necessary to own. I was pointing out the logical destination of this.
      - LeBit 12d ago
        Numerous stats show truck owners don’t use their trucks to tow or haul stuff. At least 50% don’t need a truck. There is maybe a 30% that do use their trucks to actually tow and haul on a regular basis. Imagine replacing 50% of pick up trucks with fuel efficient or EV vehicules.
        johncearls 12d ago
        But how much of what you own is do you actually "need." People are welcome to do with there money things that simply make them happy. That is a good and proper use of money. This would be a very boring life indeed if people were only allowed to own things that others decided they need.
        johng 12d ago
        It's wild to see all these people clowning on truck owners... and then say they are going to buy two 5090's for local AI even though they know it's less efficient than a cloud and don't necessarily need the privacy aspect of it... but want to do it just "cuz" . The hypocrisy here is amazing.
throw0101a 13d ago
> Lots of people haul things. Not with pick-up trucks they don't: > Nearly 90 percent of truck buyers said they never use their truck for business towing, as a mobile office, or as a work site. Yet nearly 40 percent said they drive their truck strictly for pleasure at least once a week. * https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/capability-by-numbers-what-most-buyers-actually-use-their-trucks-for/ https://www.carscoops.com/2025/11/capability-by-numbers-what... * https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-use-them https://www.powernationtv.com/post/most-pickup-truck-owners-... And these are self-reported numbers: what people say about their own behaviour(s). > Big trucks can be a necessity depending on what you do for a living/your way of life. For something like ~90% of pick-up owners that is grocery shopping and errands. As one headline put it, most folks don't need a pick-up truck but rather a cowboy costume: > But, as it turns out, a significant portion of truck owners never use their trucks for these capabilities. According to Edwards’ data, 75 percent of truck owners use their truck for towing one time a year or less (meaning, never). Nearly 70 percent of truck owners go off-road one time a year or less. And a full 35 percent of truck owners use their truck for hauling—putting something in the bed, its ostensible raison d’être—once a year or less. * https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-size-pickup-truck-you-need-a-cowboy-costume https://www.thedrive.com/news/26907/you-dont-need-a-full-siz... People would do better to buy a more fuel efficient vehicle, and use the money saved to rent a truck (or van) the few times a year they need those specific capabilities. They'd probably save money, and we'd probably have fewer dead people and children as well: * https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visibility-than-a-ford-super-duty/ https://carbuzz.com/news/the-abrams-m1-tank-has-better-visib...
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bak3y 13d ago

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isolatedsystem 13d ago
Great! Hope that works out for you! You seem competent at making sound decisions.

shoobiedoo 13d ago

Not everything has to be political. I live in Japan and raised SUV's with max-grip tires are all the rage here. Just total, 100% useless vanity that wastes fuel for nothing. Flexing useless crap as a status symbol is as old as time