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Nice soundbite. Do you have an actual suggestion too? I'd love to hear you suggestion to keep AI out of the hands of people who will certainly use it to kill.

by spwa4 13d ago

Nice soundbite. Do you have an actual suggestion too? I'd love to hear you suggestion to keep AI out of the hands of people who will certainly use it to kill. Russia, for example, is already using AI targeting (Ukraine too but "with callback", ie. AI targeting asks permission to the commander and no permission? No targeting), China and Turkey are delivering AI targeting solutions to ... essentially anyone (the old Syrian government and Azerbeijan were both provided with them, and Azerbeijan probably used them against Armenian civilians in the blockade of Nagorno-Karabagh). Turkey provided them to Ukraine earlier in the war, then Russia flew a number of planes very close to Turkish borders and now they don't anymore. The son-in-law of Turkey's prime minister, Özdemir Bayraktar, is among selling them. As for diplomacy, the UN has already decided they will do nothing about it. And that means, btw, that the ICC will do nothing either. https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/09/1168288 https://news.un.org/en/story/2026/09/1168288 https://www.azernews.az/region/263412.html https://www.azernews.az/region/263412.html (Iran proudly declares they're doing this) https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2024/02/22/azerbaijan-criticizes-armenias-military-acquisitions-as-baku-bolsters-armed-forces-with-sophisticated-turkish-akinci-drones/ https://www.forbes.com/sites/pauliddon/2024/02/22/azerbaijan... So you want this? Excellent! So what are you going to do? Keep in mind that serious amounts of violence will be required to accomplish your ban on AI drones, because the main strength of AI drones used to be that only side has them, but that time is passed. Turkey has no doubt built up their production, Russia obviously has (and is producing 100+ per day), and China, well we don't really know, but it's China, so ... When two sides have them (like in Ukraine), it seems to be a numbers game. So you want to make any headway, you'll have to produce large amounts of AI targeting drones to accomplish this.

baxtr 13d ago
Sounds like you have put a lot of research and thinking into this topic. What are your suggestions? Happy to follow along
- spwa4 12d ago
  I'm sorry but I really think there's only one solution: make sure the US has the best AI weapons, because the US political process will actually put limits on their use, and the US military will actually respect those limits. (and while I'd love to say EU will do the same ... let's face facts here: Ukraine didn't follow the "no AI targeting" rules. Because of course part of the reason the US is so comfortable with limits on weapons is that there is absolutely nothing that's even a mild threat to US soil. The only neighbors with land connections are far weaker than the US and that's unlikely to change even in the very long term. A country like the UK ... controls the access to the oceans for half of Europe, and through Gibraltar for the other half. There are a LOT of countries with very good reasons to threaten even the UK, and so the UK might feel they're forced to use less-limited weapons to defend)

by spwa4 13d ago

baxtr 13d ago

Sounds like you have put a lot of research and thinking into this topic. What are your suggestions? Happy to follow along

spwa4 12d ago
I'm sorry but I really think there's only one solution: make sure the US has the best AI weapons, because the US political process will actually put limits on their use, and the US military will actually respect those limits. (and while I'd love to say EU will do the same ... let's face facts here: Ukraine didn't follow the "no AI targeting" rules. Because of course part of the reason the US is so comfortable with limits on weapons is that there is absolutely nothing that's even a mild threat to US soil. The only neighbors with land connections are far weaker than the US and that's unlikely to change even in the very long term. A country like the UK ... controls the access to the oceans for half of Europe, and through Gibraltar for the other half. There are a LOT of countries with very good reasons to threaten even the UK, and so the UK might feel they're forced to use less-limited weapons to defend)