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I notice that not one comment here, nor the article, notes that this doesn't happen with a Tesla.

by heaney-555 1mo ago

otterley 1mo ago
Why doesn’t it happen with them?
- heaney-555 1mo ago
  Tesla charges a $10/month subscription for its connected features, with relatively high uptake because its software is actually great (unlike the dogshit UX of most cars), so it doesn't need to sell data. Plus it just isn't how Tesla operates.
  - LoganDark 1mo ago
    They may not sell the data, they just keep it for themselves. And Elon.
    - Yizahi 1mo ago
      I never thought I would say that, but I would rather have my data hoarded by a crazy rightwinger Elon, than by Stellantis or VW or BMW or Hyundai or any Chinese vendors and being sold to each other plus to a dozens of incompetent or malicious middleman contractors like the one pwned recently in USA. I mean, both alternatives are crap, but 1 piece of crap is slightly better that 100 pieces of crap for the same cost. PS: never owned anything by Elon.
  - otterley 1mo ago
    I wonder how long that will last. That may be their privacy policy today, but AFAIK that's merely a policy, not a binding agreement. I don't know whether anything stops them from changing their mind later, i.e., the classic rug-pull. I appreciate Tesla's position on the matter, but I'd still rather have the collection and dissemination of the data more tightly regulated by law.
  - artisinal 1mo ago
    Since when is Tesla software great? Every time I get into a Tesla I have to spend five minutes to pair my iPhone over Bluetooth like it’s 2010. I then have to place my phone on the wireless charging pad and enjoy navigation on the small screen of my phone since it doesn’t support CarPlay. I have to make a playlist of my music before the trip since I can’t control my music safely.
morkalork 1mo ago
No, you just have to worry about random employees watching the video feeds for shits and giggles
deleted 1mo ago
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qwerpy 1mo ago
theverge doesn't like Tesla and neither do the vast majority of people here. Why provide a fair and balanced view if it helps someone we don't like?
- wallst07 29d ago
  Because HN/nerds like to think of ourselves as objective, open to the truth and data driven results. Then we find out, we're no better than the average, just different topics.
visiondude 1mo ago
why do you think this? can you provide a written terms or similar to hold this belief? i would think they are absolutely selling all the data
- Cabal 29d ago
  Terms are here: https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy
left-struck 1mo ago
This is not a conspiracy, just normal human behaviour. The loud voices are loud. People are complaining about cars that do collect data. Do you see ANY comments about any manufacturer that doesn’t do this? The only time I’ve ever seen a comment like that was regarding older used cars. All it can tell us is that maybe this is something tesla should market (if it’s true) rather than bullshit like “self driving”
- heaney-555 29d ago
  >rather than bullshit like “self driving” You should go try it. Do a free test drive with FSD next time you have a free hour. You'll stop using the scare quotes.
  - left-struck 28d ago
    I’m not against self driving cars, but if I can’t sit in the back of the car, legally, and read a book while it drives me to work, it’s not self driving is it?

I notice that not one comment here, nor the article, notes that this doesn't happen with a Tesla.

otterley 1mo ago

Why doesn’t it happen with them?

heaney-555 1mo ago
Tesla charges a $10/month subscription for its connected features, with relatively high uptake because its software is actually great (unlike the dogshit UX of most cars), so it doesn't need to sell data. Plus it just isn't how Tesla operates.
- LoganDark 1mo ago
  They may not sell the data, they just keep it for themselves. And Elon.
  - Yizahi 1mo ago
    I never thought I would say that, but I would rather have my data hoarded by a crazy rightwinger Elon, than by Stellantis or VW or BMW or Hyundai or any Chinese vendors and being sold to each other plus to a dozens of incompetent or malicious middleman contractors like the one pwned recently in USA. I mean, both alternatives are crap, but 1 piece of crap is slightly better that 100 pieces of crap for the same cost. PS: never owned anything by Elon.
- otterley 1mo ago
  I wonder how long that will last. That may be their privacy policy today, but AFAIK that's merely a policy, not a binding agreement. I don't know whether anything stops them from changing their mind later, i.e., the classic rug-pull. I appreciate Tesla's position on the matter, but I'd still rather have the collection and dissemination of the data more tightly regulated by law.
- artisinal 1mo ago
  Since when is Tesla software great? Every time I get into a Tesla I have to spend five minutes to pair my iPhone over Bluetooth like it’s 2010. I then have to place my phone on the wireless charging pad and enjoy navigation on the small screen of my phone since it doesn’t support CarPlay. I have to make a playlist of my music before the trip since I can’t control my music safely.

morkalork 1mo ago

No, you just have to worry about random employees watching the video feeds for shits and giggles

deleted 1mo ago

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qwerpy 1mo ago

theverge doesn't like Tesla and neither do the vast majority of people here. Why provide a fair and balanced view if it helps someone we don't like?

wallst07 29d ago
Because HN/nerds like to think of ourselves as objective, open to the truth and data driven results. Then we find out, we're no better than the average, just different topics.

visiondude 1mo ago

why do you think this? can you provide a written terms or similar to hold this belief? i would think they are absolutely selling all the data

Cabal 29d ago
Terms are here: https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy https://www.tesla.com/legal/privacy

left-struck 1mo ago

This is not a conspiracy, just normal human behaviour. The loud voices are loud. People are complaining about cars that do collect data. Do you see ANY comments about any manufacturer that doesn’t do this? The only time I’ve ever seen a comment like that was regarding older used cars. All it can tell us is that maybe this is something tesla should market (if it’s true) rather than bullshit like “self driving”

heaney-555 29d ago
>rather than bullshit like “self driving” You should go try it. Do a free test drive with FSD next time you have a free hour. You'll stop using the scare quotes.
- left-struck 28d ago
  I’m not against self driving cars, but if I can’t sit in the back of the car, legally, and read a book while it drives me to work, it’s not self driving is it?