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We've all gone through it :-( Happy users of the (really good) software until our hardware gets "too old" and the inevitable rug pull.

dghkk 18d ago
You have no idea what rug pull means, do you?
isityettime 18d ago
That hardly happens on desktop/laptop Linux. Seems like a proprietary OS problem tbh.
- ryandrake 18d ago
  You're definitely right about that. I'll admit it. If you're not the kind of person who likes to throw all your electronics out every few years to spend $thousands on new ones then the Apple ecosystem is not for you.
  - isityettime 18d ago
    It's a weird situation in that the standards for mobile devices like cell phones and tablets are on the floor compared to those for PCs, so Apple's same 6-year cutoff feels respectable for smartphones but miserly for laptops.
toomuchtodo 18d ago
Uncompensated volunteers dropping support for a 7 year old device that is shortly going to be unsupported by the manufacturer isn't a rug pull. Entitlement can be wild, volunteers are volunteers. Consumers of volunteer output are free to support their use cases themselves on their own time. Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade.
- tonyedgecombe 18d ago
  > Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade. And throw away perfectly good hardware.
  - toomuchtodo 18d ago
    If it no longer is supported by software, it’s no longer perfectly good. Certainly, if you want to spend your time on supporting unsupported hardware based on personal belief, that’s a choice, and it’s your time. Compare to the cost of replacing the hardware. Time is not free, it is the ultimate non renewable resource. We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Recycle old gear when the math no longer maths and move on.
    - tonyedgecombe 18d ago
      >We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Mindless consumption isn't going to extend your life.
      - toomuchtodo 18d ago
        Tinkering and building for fun brings joy, joy is the point of life. Tinker mindfully. “Tinker and build what matters, to you.”
  - mixmastamyk 18d ago
    In general I agree, but recycling old power hungry gear may be better for the environment in the long term.
    - hn_throw2025 18d ago
      So discard a working and perfectly good Macbook to be replaced by a new one manufactured by the World’s #1 CO2 emitter and transported probably halfway around the world in a container ship burning dirty bunker fuel.

dghkk 18d ago

You have no idea what rug pull means, do you?

isityettime 18d ago

That hardly happens on desktop/laptop Linux. Seems like a proprietary OS problem tbh.

ryandrake 18d ago
You're definitely right about that. I'll admit it. If you're not the kind of person who likes to throw all your electronics out every few years to spend $thousands on new ones then the Apple ecosystem is not for you.
- isityettime 18d ago
  It's a weird situation in that the standards for mobile devices like cell phones and tablets are on the floor compared to those for PCs, so Apple's same 6-year cutoff feels respectable for smartphones but miserly for laptops.

toomuchtodo 18d ago

Uncompensated volunteers dropping support for a 7 year old device that is shortly going to be unsupported by the manufacturer isn't a rug pull. Entitlement can be wild, volunteers are volunteers. Consumers of volunteer output are free to support their use cases themselves on their own time. Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade.

tonyedgecombe 18d ago
> Find an ARM Mac used (like an M1) and upgrade. And throw away perfectly good hardware.
- toomuchtodo 18d ago
  If it no longer is supported by software, it’s no longer perfectly good. Certainly, if you want to spend your time on supporting unsupported hardware based on personal belief, that’s a choice, and it’s your time. Compare to the cost of replacing the hardware. Time is not free, it is the ultimate non renewable resource. We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Recycle old gear when the math no longer maths and move on.
  - tonyedgecombe 18d ago
    >We are all slowly dying one day at a time, is that how you want to spend your time? Mindless consumption isn't going to extend your life.
    - toomuchtodo 18d ago
      Tinkering and building for fun brings joy, joy is the point of life. Tinker mindfully. “Tinker and build what matters, to you.”
- mixmastamyk 18d ago
  In general I agree, but recycling old power hungry gear may be better for the environment in the long term.
  - hn_throw2025 18d ago
    So discard a working and perfectly good Macbook to be replaced by a new one manufactured by the World’s #1 CO2 emitter and transported probably halfway around the world in a container ship burning dirty bunker fuel.