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In Florida, we just talked to our reps and got them banned from the entire state. It was easy and didn’t require protests at all.

by k33n 15d ago

aftbit 15d ago
Did they switch to Axon?
- k33n 15d ago
  Nope. Florida simply led the way and calmly banned Flock cameras from the entire state. Every other state that cares about individual liberty should follow suit.
  - jasonlotito 15d ago
    I mean, let's not get carried away. Florida still has very oppressive anti-second-amendment legislation and laws on the books, and until they get rid of that, I wouldn't call them anywhere close to having individual liberty.
    - k33n 15d ago
      Florida has permit-less, constitutional open-carry. Not sure what more you could ask for from a 2A perspective.
    - y1n0 15d ago
      When I lived in FLA and it was super easy to get a concealed weapon permit. I carried a gun not infrequently just to exercise that right. I was serious about training with it as well. The other states I’ve lived in haven’t been so straight forward.
  - aftbit 14d ago
    They revoked permits for all license plate readers currently placed along the state highway rights of way. They did not ban privately owned Flock Safety cameras (e.g. at a housing development or whatever), nor did they ban police from mounting ALPRs on their patrol cars. It sounds like this applies only to the "State Highway System", not to local roads - but maybe I'm misunderstanding the scope of that. https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/design/bulletins/eom26-01.pdf https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/defaul... >Monday’s order did not affect cameras on private property or on local rights-of-way — which together is 98% of surveillance cameras, DeSantis said — but some localities in Florida said they were following suit. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/florida-bans-flock-and-other-license-plate-readers-from-state-highways-as-backlash-grows/ar-AA2bj257 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/florida-bans-flock-and-... Ironically it is the Republican governors of Texas and Florida who are leading this anti-surveillance push, even as the government of Texas has used Flock cameras in other jurisdictions to harass and intimidate pregnant women seeking out of state abortions. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/texas-deputy-searched-83-000-152212195.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/texas-deputy-se...
snypher 15d ago
Florida is a model democracy that all states should look up to.
- k33n 15d ago
  Yes, it really is. Florida is a cultural punching bag, and we take that in stride too. We have a balanced budget, no state income tax, and no flock cameras. We are close to abolishing property taxes as well. Our natural disaster response is some of the most robust anywhere in the world as well.
  - rwj 15d ago
    This is misleading. I'm not sure replacing income tax with sales tax is a positive change. The state is still collecting taxes, but the tools are pretty regressive.
    - johnnyanmac 15d ago
      Sales taxes are fundamentally a tax on the poor. Someone making 20x the median income is not spending 20x more on groceries and other goods. It doesn't scale well at all, especially when a lot of net worth goes into housing. And the GP was arguing about ending property tax... I don't think we're in a good enough economic situation as of now to eliminate sales tax. But an ideal model is a strong progressive income tax model (I'm talking "0% tax under 40k" levels of progressive) with sales tax only employed in bad economic states. In general, taxes should be heavier in good economic times to allow bad economic situations to relax them.
      - k33n 14d ago
        I’m glad that that my state isn’t run that way. Your assumptions about consumption taxes across income brackets not scaling is factually inaccurate. If sales tax is fundamentally a tax on the poor, then so is an income tax. Florida is one of the lowest taxed states across all income brackets, and even provides good social programs. I’m glad that people who want to tax the rich to death for the sake of a crusade that isn’t even needed don’t have much of a voice in my state.
righthand 15d ago
Florida is also ironically how we may get cookie banners in line and to actually opt users out as they prosecute websites there as illegal wire taps if you still put cookies on the page after or before the opt out happens.
tekla 15d ago
Florida did not ban Flock cameras from the entire state. They revoked permits for all license plate readers, including Flock, from state roads. Local roads are unaffected by this order. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/florida-bans-flock-license-plate-readers-state-highways-rcna595420 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/florida-bans-flock-li... > Monday’s order did not affect cameras on private property or on local rights-of-way — where 98% of the surveillance cameras are located
- k33n 15d ago
  It's true that the order only impacts state highways. It removes approximately 700 license plate readers and then also leaves thousands still up locally. However, in my county, the Sheriffs dept is actually taking them down voluntarily, because of the positive political reception of the state-road ban. And its happening in other jurisdictions near me. A lot of people instinctively believe Florida only does dumb stuff, but we really do have quite responsive people in charge here. From where I sit, I see good movement on the whole Flock issue in my state and county. [1] https://www.facebook.com/SeminoleSheriff/posts/update-on-flock-camerason-august-31-sheriff-dennis-lemma-and-seminole-county-com/1540975998065165/ https://www.facebook.com/SeminoleSheriff/posts/update-on-flo...

In Florida, we just talked to our reps and got them banned from the entire state. It was easy and didn’t require protests at all.

by k33n 15d ago

In Florida, we just talked to our reps and got them banned from the entire state. It was easy and didn’t require protests at all.

aftbit 15d ago

Did they switch to Axon?

k33n 15d ago
Nope. Florida simply led the way and calmly banned Flock cameras from the entire state. Every other state that cares about individual liberty should follow suit.
- jasonlotito 15d ago
  I mean, let's not get carried away. Florida still has very oppressive anti-second-amendment legislation and laws on the books, and until they get rid of that, I wouldn't call them anywhere close to having individual liberty.
  - k33n 15d ago
    Florida has permit-less, constitutional open-carry. Not sure what more you could ask for from a 2A perspective.
  - y1n0 15d ago
    When I lived in FLA and it was super easy to get a concealed weapon permit. I carried a gun not infrequently just to exercise that right. I was serious about training with it as well. The other states I’ve lived in haven’t been so straight forward.
- aftbit 14d ago
  They revoked permits for all license plate readers currently placed along the state highway rights of way. They did not ban privately owned Flock Safety cameras (e.g. at a housing development or whatever), nor did they ban police from mounting ALPRs on their patrol cars. It sounds like this applies only to the "State Highway System", not to local roads - but maybe I'm misunderstanding the scope of that. https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/default-source/design/bulletins/eom26-01.pdf https://fdotwww.blob.core.windows.net/sitefinity/docs/defaul... >Monday’s order did not affect cameras on private property or on local rights-of-way — which together is 98% of surveillance cameras, DeSantis said — but some localities in Florida said they were following suit. https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/florida-bans-flock-and-other-license-plate-readers-from-state-highways-as-backlash-grows/ar-AA2bj257 https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/other/florida-bans-flock-and-... Ironically it is the Republican governors of Texas and Florida who are leading this anti-surveillance push, even as the government of Texas has used Flock cameras in other jurisdictions to harass and intimidate pregnant women seeking out of state abortions. https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/texas-deputy-searched-83-000-152212195.html https://www.yahoo.com/news/politics/articles/texas-deputy-se...

snypher 15d ago

Florida is a model democracy that all states should look up to.

k33n 15d ago
Yes, it really is. Florida is a cultural punching bag, and we take that in stride too. We have a balanced budget, no state income tax, and no flock cameras. We are close to abolishing property taxes as well. Our natural disaster response is some of the most robust anywhere in the world as well.
- rwj 15d ago
  This is misleading. I'm not sure replacing income tax with sales tax is a positive change. The state is still collecting taxes, but the tools are pretty regressive.
  - johnnyanmac 15d ago
    Sales taxes are fundamentally a tax on the poor. Someone making 20x the median income is not spending 20x more on groceries and other goods. It doesn't scale well at all, especially when a lot of net worth goes into housing. And the GP was arguing about ending property tax... I don't think we're in a good enough economic situation as of now to eliminate sales tax. But an ideal model is a strong progressive income tax model (I'm talking "0% tax under 40k" levels of progressive) with sales tax only employed in bad economic states. In general, taxes should be heavier in good economic times to allow bad economic situations to relax them.
    - k33n 14d ago
      I’m glad that that my state isn’t run that way. Your assumptions about consumption taxes across income brackets not scaling is factually inaccurate. If sales tax is fundamentally a tax on the poor, then so is an income tax. Florida is one of the lowest taxed states across all income brackets, and even provides good social programs. I’m glad that people who want to tax the rich to death for the sake of a crusade that isn’t even needed don’t have much of a voice in my state.

righthand 15d ago

Florida is also ironically how we may get cookie banners in line and to actually opt users out as they prosecute websites there as illegal wire taps if you still put cookies on the page after or before the opt out happens.

tekla 15d ago

Florida did not ban Flock cameras from the entire state. They revoked permits for all license plate readers, including Flock, from state roads. Local roads are unaffected by this order. https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/florida-bans-flock-license-plate-readers-state-highways-rcna595420 https://www.nbcnews.com/tech/tech-news/florida-bans-flock-li... > Monday’s order did not affect cameras on private property or on local rights-of-way — where 98% of the surveillance cameras are located

k33n 15d ago
It's true that the order only impacts state highways. It removes approximately 700 license plate readers and then also leaves thousands still up locally. However, in my county, the Sheriffs dept is actually taking them down voluntarily, because of the positive political reception of the state-road ban. And its happening in other jurisdictions near me. A lot of people instinctively believe Florida only does dumb stuff, but we really do have quite responsive people in charge here. From where I sit, I see good movement on the whole Flock issue in my state and county. [1] https://www.facebook.com/SeminoleSheriff/posts/update-on-flock-camerason-august-31-sheriff-dennis-lemma-and-seminole-county-com/1540975998065165/ https://www.facebook.com/SeminoleSheriff/posts/update-on-flo...