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This is framing it as a false binary. People need to take personal responsibility. They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc So yes it is surpris
by firesteelrain 1mo ago
This is framing it as a false binary. People need to take personal responsibility. They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc
So yes it is surprising and wrong
- vel0city 1mo ago> They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc Yeah they can walk in a city without sidewalks. They can bike in a city without any bike infrastructure. They can ride in a city without busses. Sure sounds effective and safe. You're blind to reality if you think the average American city and town is actually designed to get by with people walking or biking or riding public transit. Let's say you live here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 You can't legally drive for whatever reason now. How do you get to your job in Plano? How do you go get groceries? It's a 40 minute bicycle ride each way to the closest grocer. There is no transit.
- hn993302 1mo agolol, Copeville TX
- vel0city 1mo agoI can find tons of other examples in every state and practically every metro area.
- firesteelrain 1mo agoYou are making excuses.
- hn993302 1mo agoYeah, even if they properly enforced this and made cheap car ownership more expensive, people always have their choices and can deal with it. If this makes car-dependent cities non-viable then ok. Probably wouldn't even do that, they'd either find the money or use motorbikes instead.
- vel0city 1mo agoI'm not. I stated these crimes should be severely punished, and I'm all for cop.cars with ALPRs that match insurance info/expired registrations/etc to make enforcement higher. I'm probably for even more strict enforcement than you're comfortable with. This is a bad crime, and we should do more to make it not happen. You have no answers for people in that position. I do. We shouldn't design our cities and towns like this. If you find a machine you've been building tends to mangle the operators hands you don't just shrug your shoulders to the problem. You figure out the proper ways to add guards, build in lockouts, make it so people practically can't mess up their hands in normal operation as much as possible.
- firesteelrain 1mo agoThe problem with that analogy is people aren’t machines. They’re making choices. Bad city design can make things harder, sure. It still doesn’t remove personal responsibility for choosing to drive illegally.
- vel0city 1mo agoIn the example the machine is the city design. It's the thing we can make better designs so people are less likely to put their hands (or someone else's) into the grinder part. You make it so it never even begins to make sense to drive illegally. Why risk prison time when it's a short bike ride or a reliable bus ride? > It still doesn’t remove personal responsibility for choosing to drive illegally. I never, ever, once even slightly suggested otherwise. I've been very consistent: it's a harsh and selfish crime that routinely ruins innocent lives which should have steep penalties and strong enforcement. I just don't like that we then don't actually address why people end up making that decision, we just act like it isn't really a problem at all, meanwhile more and more people drive illegally. Quit burying your head in the sand to the actual solutions to this problem. You'll have far fewer people stealing food when they're no longer hungry.
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