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HN is loaded with out of touch Kung Fu masters. They were the loudest skeptics against AI. Still a lot here. It's human nature. If your identity is defined by

HN is loaded with out of touch Kung Fu masters. They were the loudest skeptics against AI. Still a lot here. It's human nature. If your identity is defined by your kung fu and a technology is about to obsolesce your kung fu, then all logic goes out the window as you go all out in protecting your identity. It's mostly for themselves. They have to lie to themselves and tell themselves that they still "matter".

yallpendantools 13d ago
I've been doing martial arts for more than 20 years, some in TMA, some in modern boxing/kickboxing. I have yet to meet an "out of touch Kung Fu master" in person. Nobody thinks they can clear the bar or win in a ruleset they haven't trained for. I mean I don't deny Frank Dux, George Dilman, and the DUST guy exist, nor do I support their claims. It's just that they are larger-than-life personalities to start with and I haven't met them in person. Similarly, most of the programmers skeptical about AI---me included---don't really do so out of a threat to a domain we've mastered. The problem is, models, to this day, need supervision so they understand requirements, so they know where to properly look for prior art, so that they "understand" the existing architecture. That includes you, Claude. Our kung fu has been six months away from obsolescence since roundabouts 2022 and in 2026 they even rehired a bunch of out-of-touch kung fu masters.
- cindyllm 13d ago
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- hermitcrab 13d ago
  >It's just that they are larger-than-life personalities That is a very generous assessment of Frank Dux and George Dillman. Dillman at least started off as the real deal. Dux was a total fantasist. I still find it hard to believe any bought into his 'blood sport' story, let alone made a film about it.
- threethirtytwo 13d ago
  People who are out of touch don’t know they are out of touch. Thats why you haven’t met one. Because they all declare themselves as relevant. And this is also why you can’t recognize yourself as out of touch. How do you recognize someone who isn’t lying to themselves? It’s hard. There’s no definitive answer but lies people tell themselves tend to be rosy and comforting. When someone tells you their own identity has been eviscrerated by AI that’s not a comforting lie. It’s more than likely a practical analysis.
sublinear 13d ago
It's funny that we almost agree except you have it 100% backwards. The out of touch kung fu masters are all retired or close to it. They continue to shout about their big bet on AI as loudly as possible to protect their egos and, as a last ditch effort, whatever money they threw in. After all, everyone who is mid-career and younger cannot possibly be a master of anything. Of course they're using AI at work, but that is an extremely far cry from the AI actually helping. They use it because it's shoved down their throats and they don't want to rock the boat. Working extra hours from home is the perfect way for everyone to save face. In other words, the older generation is delusional. Nobody is surprised except the older generation.
- threethirtytwo 13d ago
  I never commented on age. So we are actually in perfect agreement. Yes, older people tend to have their identities and expertises ingrained. They have more to lose in terms of identity.
mawadev 13d ago
I honestly feel personally attacked by this and I don't consider myself to be an out of touch kung fu master or technologist at all. It is just very odd to read such an inflammatory comment on HN and then have people pretend this is correct and perfectly socially acceptable to say. Like put your shoes into the person you are arguing against, with some empathy, would you want to be treated this way?
- Kiro 13d ago
  Funny thing coming from a person with such a bio.
- threethirtytwo 13d ago
  You feel attacked? I’m only referring people who are out of touch and lying to themselves. If you’re not doing that then it’s not you. Unless if you feel it’s referring to you then you’re saying what I said is true. If what I said is true, then it’s not an attack is it? I’m just spitting facts. So don’t get offended, don’t think of it as an attack.

yallpendantools 13d ago

I've been doing martial arts for more than 20 years, some in TMA, some in modern boxing/kickboxing. I have yet to meet an "out of touch Kung Fu master" in person. Nobody thinks they can clear the bar or win in a ruleset they haven't trained for. I mean I don't deny Frank Dux, George Dilman, and the DUST guy exist, nor do I support their claims. It's just that they are larger-than-life personalities to start with and I haven't met them in person. Similarly, most of the programmers skeptical about AI---me included---don't really do so out of a threat to a domain we've mastered. The problem is, models, to this day, need supervision so they understand requirements, so they know where to properly look for prior art, so that they "understand" the existing architecture. That includes you, Claude. Our kung fu has been six months away from obsolescence since roundabouts 2022 and in 2026 they even rehired a bunch of out-of-touch kung fu masters.

cindyllm 13d ago
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hermitcrab 13d ago
>It's just that they are larger-than-life personalities That is a very generous assessment of Frank Dux and George Dillman. Dillman at least started off as the real deal. Dux was a total fantasist. I still find it hard to believe any bought into his 'blood sport' story, let alone made a film about it.
threethirtytwo 13d ago
People who are out of touch don’t know they are out of touch. Thats why you haven’t met one. Because they all declare themselves as relevant. And this is also why you can’t recognize yourself as out of touch. How do you recognize someone who isn’t lying to themselves? It’s hard. There’s no definitive answer but lies people tell themselves tend to be rosy and comforting. When someone tells you their own identity has been eviscrerated by AI that’s not a comforting lie. It’s more than likely a practical analysis.

sublinear 13d ago

It's funny that we almost agree except you have it 100% backwards. The out of touch kung fu masters are all retired or close to it. They continue to shout about their big bet on AI as loudly as possible to protect their egos and, as a last ditch effort, whatever money they threw in. After all, everyone who is mid-career and younger cannot possibly be a master of anything. Of course they're using AI at work, but that is an extremely far cry from the AI actually helping. They use it because it's shoved down their throats and they don't want to rock the boat. Working extra hours from home is the perfect way for everyone to save face. In other words, the older generation is delusional. Nobody is surprised except the older generation.

threethirtytwo 13d ago
I never commented on age. So we are actually in perfect agreement. Yes, older people tend to have their identities and expertises ingrained. They have more to lose in terms of identity.

mawadev 13d ago

I honestly feel personally attacked by this and I don't consider myself to be an out of touch kung fu master or technologist at all. It is just very odd to read such an inflammatory comment on HN and then have people pretend this is correct and perfectly socially acceptable to say. Like put your shoes into the person you are arguing against, with some empathy, would you want to be treated this way?

Kiro 13d ago
Funny thing coming from a person with such a bio.
threethirtytwo 13d ago
You feel attacked? I’m only referring people who are out of touch and lying to themselves. If you’re not doing that then it’s not you. Unless if you feel it’s referring to you then you’re saying what I said is true. If what I said is true, then it’s not an attack is it? I’m just spitting facts. So don’t get offended, don’t think of it as an attack.