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You are right. This just reads like a rancorous rant. In any human group there will always be issues on how we treat each other dependent on time/context/cult

You are right. This just reads like a rancorous rant. In any human group there will always be issues on how we treat each other dependent on time/context/culture. But while not condoning it, this issue is orthogonal to that of misaligned AI. The communique from the mathematicians when shorn of polite language is blunt viz. AI companies are stealing our hard-won lifelong research findings, which we were already sharing freely, without attribution/credit and building upon them without informed consent nor compensation. The above is true for "misaligned AI" in all the Sciences. It is time the Scientific Community got together and sued the hell out of the AI companies.

pfdietz 1mo ago
No informed consent is needed to use previous research findings. This is the invention of IP that doesn't exist.
- rramadass 1mo ago
  You do with leading edge research problem approaches; particularly if you plan to throw millions of dollars worth of resources to brute-force a solution which a normal researcher (who has actually done part of the hard work over a long period of time) cannot afford. It is called common decency/etiquette, having ethics/morals and not plagiarising/stealing others work.
  - pfdietz 1mo ago
    You've pulled that out of thin air, so I can dismiss it in the same spirit. No, there is no such requirement. Deal.
    - rramadass 1mo ago
      What part of "It is called common decency/etiquette, having ethics/morals and not plagiarising/stealing others work" don't you understand? It is the accepted way to use each other's works in the scientific community. That is why citations/references/bibliographies exist.
      - pfdietz 1mo ago
        I understand it. I just consider it a bullshit take that has nothing to do with the reality of mathematics. There's never been such a consideration that one should not work on a problem that someone else is working on or has worked on. Nor do I think it's something that should be true. Mathematics exists and is supported to benefit society, not to pamper mathematicians.
        rramadass 1mo ago
        > There's never been such a consideration that one should not work on a problem that someone else is working on or has worked on. That is not what i meant at all. This is your erroneous take. In any scientific community when people work on the same problems, if they are aware of the others work, they usually cooperate/share their findings especially if the problem is a long-standing nobel-prize/fields-medal worthy one. If one builds their approach based on others then there definitely is a citation/reference acknowledging others contributions. This is the ethical accepted practice since the dawn of the scientific age because "standing on the shoulders of giants" and building from there is how science advances.

pfdietz 1mo ago

No informed consent is needed to use previous research findings. This is the invention of IP that doesn't exist.

rramadass 1mo ago
You do with leading edge research problem approaches; particularly if you plan to throw millions of dollars worth of resources to brute-force a solution which a normal researcher (who has actually done part of the hard work over a long period of time) cannot afford. It is called common decency/etiquette, having ethics/morals and not plagiarising/stealing others work.
- pfdietz 1mo ago
  You've pulled that out of thin air, so I can dismiss it in the same spirit. No, there is no such requirement. Deal.
  - rramadass 1mo ago
    What part of "It is called common decency/etiquette, having ethics/morals and not plagiarising/stealing others work" don't you understand? It is the accepted way to use each other's works in the scientific community. That is why citations/references/bibliographies exist.
    - pfdietz 1mo ago
      I understand it. I just consider it a bullshit take that has nothing to do with the reality of mathematics. There's never been such a consideration that one should not work on a problem that someone else is working on or has worked on. Nor do I think it's something that should be true. Mathematics exists and is supported to benefit society, not to pamper mathematicians.
      - rramadass 1mo ago
        > There's never been such a consideration that one should not work on a problem that someone else is working on or has worked on. That is not what i meant at all. This is your erroneous take. In any scientific community when people work on the same problems, if they are aware of the others work, they usually cooperate/share their findings especially if the problem is a long-standing nobel-prize/fields-medal worthy one. If one builds their approach based on others then there definitely is a citation/reference acknowledging others contributions. This is the ethical accepted practice since the dawn of the scientific age because "standing on the shoulders of giants" and building from there is how science advances.