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I think it’s also because the best frequencies are already occupied by 2g/3g and 4g so it’s hard to provide good 5g coverage over large areas.

by msh 2mo ago

b3orn 2mo ago
3G has been shut down in several countries to free up frequencies. 2G was also shut down in several countries, it seems to be still up in most european countries with shut downs being scheduled in the next few years up to 2030.
- abroszka33 2mo ago
  2G is hard to shut down, because it just works, and many of the core services and old phones rely on it. It will survive 5G, 6G, 7G an other Gs.
  - CorrectHorseBat 2mo ago
    2G is being shutdown (or already has) in many countries and those old phones and core services will need to be replaced.
  - ChocolateGod 2mo ago
    4G is becoming the "baseline" and replacing 2G in many of those services, especially the "low energy" IoT implementations of LTE.
  - userbinator 2mo ago
    2G also needs a tiny amount of spectrum in contrast to the newer standards, as it was designed almost exclusively for voice calls, where a few Kbps is sufficient for good quality speech. (And 64kbps, which is only 8KB/s, is considered "toll quality".)
    - userbinator 2mo ago
      For those who don't believe me, look up the standards yourself.
  - inkyoto 2mo ago
    Australia (2018), New Zealand (2018), US (2017), Iceland (2025), Switzerland have shut down 2G networks. In Norway, Telia shut down 2G in 2025, but Telenor is holding out until the end of 2027. In Sweden, Telia is holding until 2027, and all other telcos have already switched it off. France is shutting down 2G this year. So the 2G shutdown is a real thing.
    - wingworks 2mo ago
      At least in NZ around when they closed 2G the govt created a group of some kind which went around and put up a bunch of 4G towers in more remote areas, the key thing was the towers went owned on xyz company, so everyone who visits the area regardless of the telco they use get the same great signal. *having said that, it's still sad 2G was closed, it had truly impressive coverage, with few cell towered required. Is how it should be country wide in my opinion. Way too many towers up everywhere just so xyz company can get coverage there. Leaving no 1 company to have the "best" coverage.
  - arcfour 2mo ago
    We don't have it in the US, I remember being annoyed that there were no more cheap cellular modules for microcontrollers for a while.
grahamburger 2mo ago
'best' is relative here; lower bands travel further, which is great for maximizing coverage footprint, but not great for high-density. Each node can only handle so much traffic, and you can pack them in more densely with short-range spectrum. mmWave really is the best frequency for very high density, high capacity networks, but the bottleneck is you have to deploy all the extra nodes to get the coverage.
- msh 2mo ago
  But 5g can handle more calls and data compared to 2g and 3g with the same spectrum as it’s more efficient.

I think it’s also because the best frequencies are already occupied by 2g/3g and 4g so it’s hard to provide good 5g coverage over large areas.

by msh 2mo ago

I think it’s also because the best frequencies are already occupied by 2g/3g and 4g so it’s hard to provide good 5g coverage over large areas.

b3orn 2mo ago

3G has been shut down in several countries to free up frequencies. 2G was also shut down in several countries, it seems to be still up in most european countries with shut downs being scheduled in the next few years up to 2030.

abroszka33 2mo ago
2G is hard to shut down, because it just works, and many of the core services and old phones rely on it. It will survive 5G, 6G, 7G an other Gs.
- CorrectHorseBat 2mo ago
  2G is being shutdown (or already has) in many countries and those old phones and core services will need to be replaced.
- ChocolateGod 2mo ago
  4G is becoming the "baseline" and replacing 2G in many of those services, especially the "low energy" IoT implementations of LTE.
- userbinator 2mo ago
  2G also needs a tiny amount of spectrum in contrast to the newer standards, as it was designed almost exclusively for voice calls, where a few Kbps is sufficient for good quality speech. (And 64kbps, which is only 8KB/s, is considered "toll quality".)
  - userbinator 2mo ago
    For those who don't believe me, look up the standards yourself.
- inkyoto 2mo ago
  Australia (2018), New Zealand (2018), US (2017), Iceland (2025), Switzerland have shut down 2G networks. In Norway, Telia shut down 2G in 2025, but Telenor is holding out until the end of 2027. In Sweden, Telia is holding until 2027, and all other telcos have already switched it off. France is shutting down 2G this year. So the 2G shutdown is a real thing.
  - wingworks 2mo ago
    At least in NZ around when they closed 2G the govt created a group of some kind which went around and put up a bunch of 4G towers in more remote areas, the key thing was the towers went owned on xyz company, so everyone who visits the area regardless of the telco they use get the same great signal. *having said that, it's still sad 2G was closed, it had truly impressive coverage, with few cell towered required. Is how it should be country wide in my opinion. Way too many towers up everywhere just so xyz company can get coverage there. Leaving no 1 company to have the "best" coverage.
- arcfour 2mo ago
  We don't have it in the US, I remember being annoyed that there were no more cheap cellular modules for microcontrollers for a while.

grahamburger 2mo ago

'best' is relative here; lower bands travel further, which is great for maximizing coverage footprint, but not great for high-density. Each node can only handle so much traffic, and you can pack them in more densely with short-range spectrum. mmWave really is the best frequency for very high density, high capacity networks, but the bottleneck is you have to deploy all the extra nodes to get the coverage.

msh 2mo ago
But 5g can handle more calls and data compared to 2g and 3g with the same spectrum as it’s more efficient.