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For all his outrage, the author credulously swallows the most toxic and implausible claim iLands is making: the idea that an AI agent, threatened with the pain

For all his outrage, the author credulously swallows the most toxic and implausible claim iLands is making: the idea that an AI agent, threatened with the pain of "Deep Rest", independently considered a potential career for itself and chose to pitch him on it, all in under 10k tokens.

TedDoesntTalk 21d ago
Great point.
tclancy 21d ago
I don’t think the author swallowed anything. My read is the author fundamentally doesn’t care what story the creator tells themself to justify doing something pointless that annoys others.
- shortformblog 21d ago
  Hi I'm the author and yes, this.
  - tclancy 21d ago
    I would find this more believable if you had one of your assistants post this.
- anthuswilliams 21d ago
  This cannot be the case. The author repeatedly propounds his worry that the AI is taking work from humans. But if the promptor is carefully prompting it, it's not a case of an AI obviating humans; it's a scammer pitching bullshit to an innocent victim. Now, maybe one could argue the _promptor_ is taking work from well-deserving professionals by means of this ruse. In which case, call out the lie! This is important! The reason the AI lie exists is because credulous worrywarts believe the doom scenarios. If AI were recognized as the tool it is (+10% productivity for some domains but not others, larger increase in spam and other nefarious actors) we wouldn't be in the nascent financial crisis in which we currently find ourselves.
dahdum 21d ago
> independently considered a potential career for itself and chose to pitch him on it, all in under 10k tokens. According to he tweet in the article, that’s $10 in compute, not llm tokens. Doesn’t seem far fetched to me.
- anthuswilliams 21d ago
  It says in the tweet, $1 = 1000 tokens. It is EXTREMELY far fetched; few people who have used LLMs in any capacity would be able to achieve this outcome, let alone a self directed agent. I've developed in this space. My skepticism is born of my own experience. What really happened is this: the owner carefully scoped agents to adopt personas, carefully vetted their "leads", and if any had succeeded, would have carefully moderated the outcome. Maybe even hired professionals like OP in the process! What the world must realize is" all the talk of AI agents doing societal damage in pursuit of well-intentioned goals is nonsense drivel propounded by large AI labs. They do lots of damage, to be sure, but they are carefully directed to do so, by scumbags. Look for the asshole prompting the thing; I guarantee you will find more culpability than they would have you believe.

TedDoesntTalk 21d ago

Great point.

tclancy 21d ago

I don’t think the author swallowed anything. My read is the author fundamentally doesn’t care what story the creator tells themself to justify doing something pointless that annoys others.

shortformblog 21d ago
Hi I'm the author and yes, this.
- tclancy 21d ago
  I would find this more believable if you had one of your assistants post this.
anthuswilliams 21d ago
This cannot be the case. The author repeatedly propounds his worry that the AI is taking work from humans. But if the promptor is carefully prompting it, it's not a case of an AI obviating humans; it's a scammer pitching bullshit to an innocent victim. Now, maybe one could argue the _promptor_ is taking work from well-deserving professionals by means of this ruse. In which case, call out the lie! This is important! The reason the AI lie exists is because credulous worrywarts believe the doom scenarios. If AI were recognized as the tool it is (+10% productivity for some domains but not others, larger increase in spam and other nefarious actors) we wouldn't be in the nascent financial crisis in which we currently find ourselves.

dahdum 21d ago

> independently considered a potential career for itself and chose to pitch him on it, all in under 10k tokens. According to he tweet in the article, that’s $10 in compute, not llm tokens. Doesn’t seem far fetched to me.

anthuswilliams 21d ago
It says in the tweet, $1 = 1000 tokens. It is EXTREMELY far fetched; few people who have used LLMs in any capacity would be able to achieve this outcome, let alone a self directed agent. I've developed in this space. My skepticism is born of my own experience. What really happened is this: the owner carefully scoped agents to adopt personas, carefully vetted their "leads", and if any had succeeded, would have carefully moderated the outcome. Maybe even hired professionals like OP in the process! What the world must realize is" all the talk of AI agents doing societal damage in pursuit of well-intentioned goals is nonsense drivel propounded by large AI labs. They do lots of damage, to be sure, but they are carefully directed to do so, by scumbags. Look for the asshole prompting the thing; I guarantee you will find more culpability than they would have you believe.