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What do these discussions even matter when the words don't matter? How many times has AGI been declared already? A bunch of people (e.g. Jensen Huang) have cal
by preommr 23d ago
What do these discussions even matter when the words don't matter?
How many times has AGI been declared already? A bunch of people (e.g. Jensen Huang) have called Astra AGI, for example.
The goal posts get moved, everybody's hustling, lying, inventing new buzzwords, doing mental gymnastics, and it's all just tiring.
Just show me the results, and let the proof be in the pudding.
- Sharlin 23d agoRecursive self-improvement is not necessary for AGI. Humans are general intelligences even though we cannot RSI.
- samename 23d agoWho says we can't RSI? At a macro view, successive generations of humans are more productive, live longer, wealthier and smarter.
- stult 23d agoHumanity might be able to, humans cannot
- busyant 23d agoIf we (as a species) can genetically modify embryos to make our offspring more athletic, more intelligent, more <whatever>, is that human-RSI? That's not a gotcha question. I'm just genuinely curious if that would meet the definition of RSI.
- concrete_head 23d agoNot smarter in terms of reasoning ability. Just able to draw on the collective experience from all those who lived prior.
- maplethorpe 23d ago> we cannot RSI Speak for yourself.
- cortesoft 23d agoDoesn’t the history of civilization show RSI? Or even evolution itself? Isn’t that just RSI writ large?
- Sharlin 23d agoEvolution and human intelligence are two entirely separate optimizers. Evolution improving intellence is not an example of self-improvement, recursive or not. Evolution improving evolution itself would be a self-improvement process. Human intelligence improving human intelligence would be a self-improvement process. Both processes do exist in a weak sense, and future technological advances might allow human self-improvement to a much higher degree. Indeed human intelligence augmentation has always been considered one of the potential (if not the most plausible) ways to superintelligence. This is all rather rudimentary stuff discussed in detail in the so-called "Sequences", the long series of Less Wrong posts by Yudkowsky back around 2010.
- talon8635 23d agoI certainly do see one side of the debate moving goal posts…