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Supposedly about 20% of drivers in El Paso are uninsured, so yes?

by hn993302 14d ago

firesteelrain 14d ago
Texas needs to be stricter about this and start suspending licenses
- hn993302 14d ago
  It's higher in Los Angeles. And I don't know if they have licenses. What I've heard is if they get in an accident and can't drive away, they run away on foot and report the car stolen. And I guess they don't get pulled over because there aren't ALPRs or cops are ignoring the hits? I had my insurance lapse for 1 day and they still pulled me over a week later off a stale list, so idk.
- trollbridge 14d ago
  Suspending licences doesn't stop people from driving anymore than not having insurance doesn't.
  - firesteelrain 14d ago
    It’s a deterrence and enforcement mechanism. Because if you get pulled over, you might go to jail in some states.
    - vel0city 14d ago
      And then we start throwing people in prison because they were too poor to legally go get groceries or go to work. Car-dependent city design a travesty, grossly hurting the poor. You shouldn't need to pay insurance and operate an expensive machine just to live. And yet at the same time I see uninsured driving as a really bad and extremely selfish crime. You're risking seriously messing up someone else's life to save some small amount of money every month.
      - firesteelrain 14d ago
        Poverty may explain uninsured driving. It doesn’t justify making everyone else eat the risk.
        vel0city 14d ago
        I fully agree with that. It's an extremely selfish crime in many ways and I agree there should be harsh penalties for the crime. But at the same time it's also kind of a failure of society that we've designed most places to live in the US to need a car to survive. It's not surprising people are willing to do the bad thing when you don't really give them many other good options. We should all be better at empowering people to not have to be in such a situation where the bad option seems like best choice for them in the moment. If the options were drive and potentially end up in jail or just take the cheap/free reliable bus to get to work, which would they take? If the options are potentially end up in jail or lose your job, which choice do you pick?
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        firesteelrain 13d ago
        This is framing it as a false binary. People need to take personal responsibility. They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc So yes it is surprising and wrong
        vel0city 13d ago
        > They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc Yeah they can walk in a city without sidewalks. They can bike in a city without any bike infrastructure. They can ride in a city without busses. Sure sounds effective and safe. You're blind to reality if you think the average American city and town is actually designed to get by with people walking or biking or riding public transit. Let's say you live here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 You can't legally drive for whatever reason now. How do you get to your job in Plano? How do you go get groceries? It's a 40 minute bicycle ride each way to the closest grocer. There is no transit.

Supposedly about 20% of drivers in El Paso are uninsured, so yes?

firesteelrain 14d ago

Texas needs to be stricter about this and start suspending licenses

hn993302 14d ago
It's higher in Los Angeles. And I don't know if they have licenses. What I've heard is if they get in an accident and can't drive away, they run away on foot and report the car stolen. And I guess they don't get pulled over because there aren't ALPRs or cops are ignoring the hits? I had my insurance lapse for 1 day and they still pulled me over a week later off a stale list, so idk.
trollbridge 14d ago
Suspending licences doesn't stop people from driving anymore than not having insurance doesn't.
- firesteelrain 14d ago
  It’s a deterrence and enforcement mechanism. Because if you get pulled over, you might go to jail in some states.
  - vel0city 14d ago
    And then we start throwing people in prison because they were too poor to legally go get groceries or go to work. Car-dependent city design a travesty, grossly hurting the poor. You shouldn't need to pay insurance and operate an expensive machine just to live. And yet at the same time I see uninsured driving as a really bad and extremely selfish crime. You're risking seriously messing up someone else's life to save some small amount of money every month.
    - firesteelrain 14d ago
      Poverty may explain uninsured driving. It doesn’t justify making everyone else eat the risk.
      - vel0city 14d ago
        I fully agree with that. It's an extremely selfish crime in many ways and I agree there should be harsh penalties for the crime. But at the same time it's also kind of a failure of society that we've designed most places to live in the US to need a car to survive. It's not surprising people are willing to do the bad thing when you don't really give them many other good options. We should all be better at empowering people to not have to be in such a situation where the bad option seems like best choice for them in the moment. If the options were drive and potentially end up in jail or just take the cheap/free reliable bus to get to work, which would they take? If the options are potentially end up in jail or lose your job, which choice do you pick?
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        firesteelrain 13d ago
        This is framing it as a false binary. People need to take personal responsibility. They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc So yes it is surprising and wrong
        vel0city 13d ago
        > They can walk, ride, bike, phone a friend, relative etc Yeah they can walk in a city without sidewalks. They can bike in a city without any bike infrastructure. They can ride in a city without busses. Sure sounds effective and safe. You're blind to reality if you think the average American city and town is actually designed to get by with people walking or biking or riding public transit. Let's say you live here: https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 https://maps.app.goo.gl/c7Zd2Ce2aKJaq7xV6 You can't legally drive for whatever reason now. How do you get to your job in Plano? How do you go get groceries? It's a 40 minute bicycle ride each way to the closest grocer. There is no transit.