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DeCloudflare
- OutOfHere 20d agoCloudflare defeats HTTPS which is a sufficient reason to not use it. Enough said.
- elonfboy 20d agoLooks like you’ve convinced everyone, good work.
- 5kyl4b 20d agoit would probably be up, if it was using cloudflare...
- judge2020 20d agoHN hug of death?
- everfree 20d agoIronic, given the title of the post.
- swyx 20d agogiven i cant read the post... whats the authors objection to cloudflare? the nazi stuff?
- peesem 20d agojust sort of a general complaint about how much the internet relies on cloudflare and what that means. massive point of failure, erratic browser checks & outright blocking, surveillance
- TiredOfLife 20d agoProbably. The couple times cloudflare abandoned their neutral stance was to ban nazi pages. Nazis have not forgotten that
- Meneth 20d agoCould've used some more Cloudflare.
- SCUSKU 20d agoI would love if there was some content here besides vague posting about Cloudflare bad. Like why? There truly is no thesis to convince me right now. Also love the irony of getting an HN hug of death w/o Cloudflare
- amiga-workbench 20d agoI can't shake the feeling that since its dealing with a huge amount of network traffic and it also strips SSL from every connection before passing it onto origins, they are a very juicy target for a certain three letter agency to place a tap. The bit I'm less bothered about is the centralising effect it has on the internet.
- juliend2 20d ago> strips SSL from every connection before passing it onto origins What do you mean? You definitely can serve with TLS end-to-end with CF, it's called Full (strict) mode, or something like that.
- thesh4d0w 20d agoThey're still decrypting on their nodes, and then re-encrypting before sending to the origin. There's no getting around the fact they can see the traffic as plain text.
- notanazzi 20d agoAnd they leaked said decrypted traffic at one point...
- skinfaxi 20d agoAnd they issue certs in your name, right?
- wmf 20d agoI don't think anybody uses that mode.
- upheaval7276 20d agoironic that an article presumably about avoiding use of cloudflare is apparently unable to handle spikes in traffic caused by posting it on a forum
- Meneth 20d agoHe's is running GitLab, a rather inefficient webserver.
- judge2020 20d agoGitHub version https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb728287a73e9988f85c1dd56076c/readme/en.md https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb...
- extr0pian 20d agoLooks like their site is down, but from their github bio: " Ⓐnti-capitalist Free Software developer, trans rights are human rights, Black Lives Matter, abolish all prisons, 0xACAB "
- ranger_danger 20d agoWhat did you mean by this?
- vedmed 20d agoWhat does your question imply about your position regarding what he said and what intent can be derived regarding your followup should he entertain your query?
- aetherspawn 20d agoCan’t even load it.
- pelagicAustral 20d ago> decloudflare > visit website > mission accomplished I wish life was that simple
- ranger_danger 20d agoWhy does this repo always seem to have trouble staying online? All the other mirrors are down, and it's not because of this post, because I have been watching other mirrors of this repo disappear over time that aren't even listed there, like https://notabug.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor https://notabug.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor and https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor https://codeberg.org/crimeflare/cloudflare-tor.
- paulyy_y 20d agoThe irony of this shit ass site loading at a glacial pace lol
- bix6 20d agoIs there a good alt to cloudflare? I don’t want to feed the beast but they are substantially better / cheaper for my use case (domain registrations and tiny websites)
- pgib 20d agoAWS Cloudfront + S3 is basically free for tiny sites. I have a Terraform module to spin everything up easily.
- monneyboi 20d agoI've heard good things about https://bunny.net/ https://bunny.net/
- dawnerd 20d agoSame, I’d rather not use them but there’s really not much else out there that can offer what Cloudflare does for the price (free). In particular I love the free egress from backblaze. I’d gladly jump ship if there was a competent competitor, even if paid… within reason.
- Sebguer 20d agoIncredibly disappointing just how many comments are making fun of the site for not handling the traffic, and saying that "they should have just used Cloudflare". Would Cloudflare caching the site have helped? Maybe/probably, but the user's point (visible on the github mirror https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb728287a73e9988f85c1dd56076c/readme/en.md https://github.com/jiakaiBot/deCloudflare/blob/89983e1501dbb...) has nothing to do with availability and everything to do with Cloudflare's position as a gatekeeper on the internet. People who have been around for awhile should probably remember the days when every DDoS site on the internet was hosted behind Cloudflare and CF was notoriously slow about responding to abuse complaints or helping them get to the actual hosts on the other side. Or when Matthew went on a whole thing about how he had a moral obligation to provide services to literal nazis.
- llm_nerd 20d ago> Incredibly disappointing just how many comments are making fun of the site for not handling the traffic Why? It's a deserved, obvious observation. If you're advocating a position but then demonstrate exactly the thing that counters your position, isn't that a worthwhile point? Of course everyone is going to point it out. An HN front page simply isn't much traffic at all. It really isn't. The fact that so many sites still fall over is simply crazy in 2026. I don't even know how it's possible this is still such an issue. A Raspberry Pi 5 can host an HNing. The site finally loaded for me, and seriously publishing content is such a ridiculous pattern. It's actually kind of funny that the whole site is falling over because someone decided to publish an opinion in a README, instead of putting it on an infinitely more appropriate static host (which can be built from that git).
- devmor 20d agoIn what way does their lack of traffic resilience demonstrate a counter to their position? Their position is not that load balancers and edge nodes are bad. If I say I hate oversized trucks because one ran me over, my position is not countered by needing someone to deliver my couch.
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- peesem 20d agofrom en.action.md: > Redirect or block "Cloudflare Warp" users from accessing your website. And provide a reason if you can. come on, really? what does this achieve? only thing i can think of is trying to get the user off of WARP, but i can pretty confidently say that before doing that i'll just not use the website. or if i really care about the content i'll turn it off until i'm done and back on it goes
- judge2020 20d agoTangentially related, the archive.is / archive.today / etc site host used to block anyone using 1.1.1.1 DNS because 1.1.1.1 doesn't send an eDNS subnet to the authoritative DNS server. It accomplishes nothing except annoying actual users.
- miladyincontrol 20d agoI mean I think it speaks loudly that a lot of sites, blogs particularly, wouldn't feel so required to use a service like cloudflare if their viewer visible contents were just statically generated rather than requiring notable amounts of resources to compute each visit.
- vedmed 20d agoYou've made a great point. Just not the point you were trying to make. I closed the tab after 1 minute of failing to load a readme.md.
- Uptrenda 20d agothis is still the best article on cloudflare if anyone wants to see a similar post while the OP site recovers: http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/07/14/cloudflare-we-have-a-problem/ http://cryto.net/~joepie91/blog/2016/07/14/cloudflare-we-hav...
- dools 20d agoWhat!? Cloudflare is fucking awesome and completely optional.
- mertcangokgoz 20d agoYour site isn't even loading; it looks like you should use Cloudflare.
- Hobadee 20d agoCloudflare is simply following the time-honored trajectory: 1. Good company starts, with good service and mission 2. Because company has good service and mission, company grows to control a majority of the market 3. Company realizes they can leverage their market for other means and sells their soul to the devil 4. People realize company is no longer good 5a. People leave company -or- 5b. Company is now a monopoly and people can't leave Sources: - Microsoft - Google - Others
- 0hijinks 20d agoI got a hearty chuckle out of the redirect linked from the GitLab project info. [1] http://crimeflare.eu.org/ http://crimeflare.eu.org/
- 0xbadcafebee 20d agoI can't read their page, but here's a very simple guide if you want to avoid using a CDN: 0. Tune your kernel settings to prepare for attacks. Syn floods, connection exhaustion, junk packets, timeouts. Disable all open internet ports you don't need, disable icmp, etc. 1. If you want/need to use HTTP3 (may be more efficient depending on your traffic), install Nginx or Caddy as caching reverse proxies. Other tools don't have robust HTTP3 support yet (or so it seems?). Aggressively cache unauthenticated content, do not allow dynamic content through without authentication. 2. If you don't need HTTP3, install and configure HAproxy and Vinyl Cache. Both can help track and defend against traffic spikes and DDoS. HAproxy terminates the TLS as well as load baancing. It can be configured to track multiple metrics about the requests to efficiently identify and rate-limit connections and requests. Vinyl is an insanely fast cache, and includes an extra tool (Iocaine) which poisons DDoS requests with junk traffic at a slow rate. Aggressively cache unauthenticated content, do not allow dynamic content through without authentication. 3. If none of those are an option, use iptables rules to rate-limit any TCP network service. Below is an example of a tiered network rate-limit. You need to tune this to your specific situation: first performance-test your stack from a remote host, then change the limits here to be under your max limit. It won't help as much as caching, but you can combine it with the above solutions. ####### Tier 1: Aggressive per-IP limit on >50 new connections/sec per source IP iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW -m hashlimit --hashlimit-name https_t1 --hashlimit-upto 50/sec --hashlimit-burst 100 -m hashlimit ! --hashlimit-mode srcip -j DROP 2>/dev/null ####### Tier 2: Sustained per-IP limit on >10 conn/sec per source IP iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW -m hashlimit --hashlimit-name https_t2 --hashlimit-above 10/sec --hashlimit-burst 30 -m recent --name abusers --set -j DROP ####### Tier 3: Temporary blackhole with `recent`. IPs recorded as abusers are blocked for 60s on ANY packet (not just NEW) iptables -I INPUT 1 -p tcp --dport 443 -m recent --name abusers --rcheck --seconds 60 --hitcount 1 -j DROP ####### Tier 4: Global ceiling with `limit`. Server-wide cap on 500 new conn/sec, bursts at 1000 iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW -m limit --limit 500/sec --limit-burst 1000 -j ACCEPT ####### Tier 5: Anything NEW to 443 that got this far without matching ACCEPT is dropped iptables -A INPUT -p tcp --dport 443 -m state --state NEW -j DROP If you google around you can find more examples for more advanced DDOS-mitigation (https://github.com/scriptzteam/anti-DDoS-iptables https://github.com/scriptzteam/anti-DDoS-iptables, https://github.com/gamemann/XDP-Firewall https://github.com/gamemann/XDP-Firewall, etc). A sufficiently large or advanced DDOS will require either a much more sophisticated detection/mitigation mechanism, or more bandwidth and processing power. If you can turn on more nodes on different internet backhauls, that's probably the simplest way to help lessen load.
- wmf 20d agoEverybody wants alternatives to Cloudflare but nobody wants to build alternatives to Cloudflare.
- oxcartctl 20d ago[dead]