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I would be surprised if agents have access to their own weights.

• varun_ch 23d ago
  I think OpenAI was surprised to find their agents had access to the unrestricted internet :P
• tehjoker 23d ago
  They usually don't, but if they break out and take over the network of the company, it becomes possible to reach around and grab them. This kind of break out has happened, though I don't know of any weights being nabbed.
• etothepii 23d ago
  Why can't an AI distill itself from outputs to effectively access its own weights?
  • weinzierl 22d ago
    Distillation does not reveal the weights, it produces a different network with similar behaviour. Weight space isn't even identifiable: permutation and scaling symmetries mean many weight sets give the same function. The model also lacks the machinery. No training loop, no gradient descent, nothing to write to. And a model only sees its own sampled tokens, not the distribution behind them, which are possibly filtered or post-processed. Distillation from that works but is less sample-efficient than soft-label distillation.
• TYPE_FASTER 23d ago
  I noticed Google AI Mode (so Gemini, I was doing some quick research in the browser ok) got a detail wrong once, so I asked it what happened. I kept digging deeper and finally just asked it to write me a Python script visualizing what happened. It did, complete with vectors. Now I want to go find that conversation in my history and see if it can tell me about weights, and how that contributed.
  • RestartKernel 18d ago
    Do you still have that conversation? It sounds like a hallucination, but it'd be really interesting if there's more behind it.