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Neki right now: Multiple live shards: yes Query routing across shards: yes Online shard splitting: yes Zero-downtime resharding: yes Multiple independent s

Neki right now: Multiple live shards: yes Query routing across shards: yes Online shard splitting: yes Zero-downtime resharding: yes Multiple independent shard groups: yes Data topology management: yes HA / automated failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Online schema changes: yes Workflow-driven migrations/cutovers: yes Zero-downtime imports: yes CDC / logical replication: yes Online Postgres version upgrade workflows: yes Cross-shard transactions: coming Multigres today: Multiple live shards: no Query routing across shards: no Online shard splitting: no Resharding: no Multiple shard groups: no HA / failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Logical replication/import work: in progress Distributed migration/resharding workflows: no How it is an it's an alternative? Do you just say things without validating?

jjice 23d ago
Comes off a bit rude, especially from the CEO. I get that PlanetScale has the currently superior product, and I listed the closest thing to it. You're right it's not ready, but in the case that the parent had mentioned of closed-source making it a deal breaker, it's the best alternative. Neki looks like a good product, and I trust that something coming from the folks behind Vitess is going to be a damn fine offering, but some of us don't love tying our workloads to fully proprietary products. I wouldn't even want to host something like this myself, but knowing there's a path out of the proprietary hosting (which we've seen time and time again is something we should plan for) is critical for a lot of us when choosing solutions as important as our data layer. If I needed a truly sharded PG at the moment, Neki is probably the best option I could find. As for the "alternative" argument specifically, it's not on par at the moment, you're right, but that's their goal and they're attempting to fill the same void. In the case of someone who has a requirement their solution be open source, then Neki is flat out of the running too. I'm rooting for a good Postgres sharding solution to come out. Your team appears to be doing some good work. I would also like to see where both Neki and Multigres are in five years.
- samlambert 23d ago
  Not being rude, I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours. Saying it's an open source alternative when it is clearly not is incredibly disingenuous. Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Supabase hire companies to write fake AI slop to slander competitors. https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-comparison-broke-trust-in-devtools-4108 https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-co... They also claim ownership over projects they dont contribute to https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 (they have no vitess maintainers on staff now and they did not then either) This is who you are carrying water for.
  - jjice 23d ago
    > I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours Not sure how I wrote your product off. I spoke about how it wasn't open, which it isn't. > Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Good on your team. I believe the animosity here is mostly in our differing opinions of the word "alternative". > This is who you are carrying water for. I am not "carrying water". I listed another company. I've never used a Supabase product. All this because I mentioned something that was open and in the same lane as your new product. How's this: I won't refer to it as an alternative because it isn't up to at feature parity yet. That's fair. I will however say that you've taken multiple angles unrelated to the original core of my first reply's parent that was that Neki is not open source. That is true and many of us will see it as a downside when chosing a product. That isn't bad. That's just a thing that is.
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znpy 22d ago
Hey, just to clarify: i’m not the person you’re responding to (my comment is gp comment) and i’m not criticising your product and your work. It truly is a great achievement. However, in general i would not trust a product that is not open source (foss). I do like what grafana has been doing for example, with licensing options at the two extremes: gpl/lgpl v3 on one side and proprietary hosted saas version on the other. We run our own grafana/lgtm stack at work, we’re outgrowing it and we’re evaluating the saas offerings. But then again, not criticising your work and product, you know better than me about it and about your business, just writing down my proverbial two cents.

jjice 23d ago

Comes off a bit rude, especially from the CEO. I get that PlanetScale has the currently superior product, and I listed the closest thing to it. You're right it's not ready, but in the case that the parent had mentioned of closed-source making it a deal breaker, it's the best alternative. Neki looks like a good product, and I trust that something coming from the folks behind Vitess is going to be a damn fine offering, but some of us don't love tying our workloads to fully proprietary products. I wouldn't even want to host something like this myself, but knowing there's a path out of the proprietary hosting (which we've seen time and time again is something we should plan for) is critical for a lot of us when choosing solutions as important as our data layer. If I needed a truly sharded PG at the moment, Neki is probably the best option I could find. As for the "alternative" argument specifically, it's not on par at the moment, you're right, but that's their goal and they're attempting to fill the same void. In the case of someone who has a requirement their solution be open source, then Neki is flat out of the running too. I'm rooting for a good Postgres sharding solution to come out. Your team appears to be doing some good work. I would also like to see where both Neki and Multigres are in five years.

samlambert 23d ago
Not being rude, I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours. Saying it's an open source alternative when it is clearly not is incredibly disingenuous. Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Supabase hire companies to write fake AI slop to slander competitors. https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-comparison-broke-trust-in-devtools-4108 https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-co... They also claim ownership over projects they dont contribute to https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 (they have no vitess maintainers on staff now and they did not then either) This is who you are carrying water for.
- jjice 23d ago
  > I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours Not sure how I wrote your product off. I spoke about how it wasn't open, which it isn't. > Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Good on your team. I believe the animosity here is mostly in our differing opinions of the word "alternative". > This is who you are carrying water for. I am not "carrying water". I listed another company. I've never used a Supabase product. All this because I mentioned something that was open and in the same lane as your new product. How's this: I won't refer to it as an alternative because it isn't up to at feature parity yet. That's fair. I will however say that you've taken multiple angles unrelated to the original core of my first reply's parent that was that Neki is not open source. That is true and many of us will see it as a downside when chosing a product. That isn't bad. That's just a thing that is.
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znpy 22d ago

Hey, just to clarify: i’m not the person you’re responding to (my comment is gp comment) and i’m not criticising your product and your work. It truly is a great achievement. However, in general i would not trust a product that is not open source (foss). I do like what grafana has been doing for example, with licensing options at the two extremes: gpl/lgpl v3 on one side and proprietary hosted saas version on the other. We run our own grafana/lgtm stack at work, we’re outgrowing it and we’re evaluating the saas offerings. But then again, not criticising your work and product, you know better than me about it and about your business, just writing down my proverbial two cents.