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If this is closed source then i have zero interest in it.

by znpy 15d ago

noir_lord 15d ago
Someone posted a twitch conversation yesterday about this, I poked around on the page realised there was no open source version and noped out immediately. I'm sure it's a great product (it seems like planetscale do good engineering and the folks I know who use them seem fine with it) but I don't do vendor lock-in as a service personally, I'll use whatever employer uses because that's the deal but for personal stuff, well this isn't designed for that really, wrong order of magnitude on scaling.
jjice 15d ago
I believe multigress is the similarly aged open equivalent from Supabase. Haven't used it myself and don't know what the differences are in usability, but I'm a bit more interested in that since it's open.
- spongeboi 15d ago
  unfortunately they haven't been able to move forward w/ the project, it can't even shard yet
  - jjice 15d ago
    It appears to be under active development, but you're right that sharding doesn't appear implemented. I'm excited to see what they can build out over the next few years.
- samlambert 15d ago
  Neki right now: Multiple live shards: yes Query routing across shards: yes Online shard splitting: yes Zero-downtime resharding: yes Multiple independent shard groups: yes Data topology management: yes HA / automated failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Online schema changes: yes Workflow-driven migrations/cutovers: yes Zero-downtime imports: yes CDC / logical replication: yes Online Postgres version upgrade workflows: yes Cross-shard transactions: coming Multigres today: Multiple live shards: no Query routing across shards: no Online shard splitting: no Resharding: no Multiple shard groups: no HA / failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Logical replication/import work: in progress Distributed migration/resharding workflows: no How it is an it's an alternative? Do you just say things without validating?
  - jjice 15d ago
    Comes off a bit rude, especially from the CEO. I get that PlanetScale has the currently superior product, and I listed the closest thing to it. You're right it's not ready, but in the case that the parent had mentioned of closed-source making it a deal breaker, it's the best alternative. Neki looks like a good product, and I trust that something coming from the folks behind Vitess is going to be a damn fine offering, but some of us don't love tying our workloads to fully proprietary products. I wouldn't even want to host something like this myself, but knowing there's a path out of the proprietary hosting (which we've seen time and time again is something we should plan for) is critical for a lot of us when choosing solutions as important as our data layer. If I needed a truly sharded PG at the moment, Neki is probably the best option I could find. As for the "alternative" argument specifically, it's not on par at the moment, you're right, but that's their goal and they're attempting to fill the same void. In the case of someone who has a requirement their solution be open source, then Neki is flat out of the running too. I'm rooting for a good Postgres sharding solution to come out. Your team appears to be doing some good work. I would also like to see where both Neki and Multigres are in five years.
    - samlambert 15d ago
      Not being rude, I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours. Saying it's an open source alternative when it is clearly not is incredibly disingenuous. Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Supabase hire companies to write fake AI slop to slander competitors. https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-comparison-broke-trust-in-devtools-4108 https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-co... They also claim ownership over projects they dont contribute to https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 (they have no vitess maintainers on staff now and they did not then either) This is who you are carrying water for.
throw10920 14d ago
What company do you work for that makes its tech decisions based purely on ideology without regard to engineering merits?

If this is closed source then i have zero interest in it.

by znpy 15d ago

If this is closed source then i have zero interest in it.

Someone posted a twitch conversation yesterday about this, I poked around on the page realised there was no open source version and noped out immediately. I'm sure it's a great product (it seems like planetscale do good engineering and the folks I know who use them seem fine with it) but I don't do vendor lock-in as a service personally, I'll use whatever employer uses because that's the deal but for personal stuff, well this isn't designed for that really, wrong order of magnitude on scaling.

jjice 15d ago

I believe multigress is the similarly aged open equivalent from Supabase. Haven't used it myself and don't know what the differences are in usability, but I'm a bit more interested in that since it's open.

spongeboi 15d ago
unfortunately they haven't been able to move forward w/ the project, it can't even shard yet
- jjice 15d ago
  It appears to be under active development, but you're right that sharding doesn't appear implemented. I'm excited to see what they can build out over the next few years.
samlambert 15d ago
Neki right now: Multiple live shards: yes Query routing across shards: yes Online shard splitting: yes Zero-downtime resharding: yes Multiple independent shard groups: yes Data topology management: yes HA / automated failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Online schema changes: yes Workflow-driven migrations/cutovers: yes Zero-downtime imports: yes CDC / logical replication: yes Online Postgres version upgrade workflows: yes Cross-shard transactions: coming Multigres today: Multiple live shards: no Query routing across shards: no Online shard splitting: no Resharding: no Multiple shard groups: no HA / failover: yes Multi-AZ: yes Connection pooling: yes Logical replication/import work: in progress Distributed migration/resharding workflows: no How it is an it's an alternative? Do you just say things without validating?
- jjice 15d ago
  Comes off a bit rude, especially from the CEO. I get that PlanetScale has the currently superior product, and I listed the closest thing to it. You're right it's not ready, but in the case that the parent had mentioned of closed-source making it a deal breaker, it's the best alternative. Neki looks like a good product, and I trust that something coming from the folks behind Vitess is going to be a damn fine offering, but some of us don't love tying our workloads to fully proprietary products. I wouldn't even want to host something like this myself, but knowing there's a path out of the proprietary hosting (which we've seen time and time again is something we should plan for) is critical for a lot of us when choosing solutions as important as our data layer. If I needed a truly sharded PG at the moment, Neki is probably the best option I could find. As for the "alternative" argument specifically, it's not on par at the moment, you're right, but that's their goal and they're attempting to fill the same void. In the case of someone who has a requirement their solution be open source, then Neki is flat out of the running too. I'm rooting for a good Postgres sharding solution to come out. Your team appears to be doing some good work. I would also like to see where both Neki and Multigres are in five years.
  - samlambert 15d ago
    Not being rude, I just do not like the work of my company being written off and under appreciated with comments like yours. Saying it's an open source alternative when it is clearly not is incredibly disingenuous. Anyone can start a project and say it's an alternative until it achieves the same results is not an alternative. They have raised 10x more venture funding than my company, and we have out executed them with hard work. I will absolutely defend that work. Supabase hire companies to write fake AI slop to slander competitors. https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-comparison-broke-trust-in-devtools-4108 https://dev.to/sivarampg/how-a-neutral-supabase-vs-convex-co... They also claim ownership over projects they dont contribute to https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://x.com/jrdntgn/status/2022003873171620160 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=45321794 (they have no vitess maintainers on staff now and they did not then either) This is who you are carrying water for.

throw10920 14d ago

What company do you work for that makes its tech decisions based purely on ideology without regard to engineering merits?