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Yes ofc its a world problem, and guess who the world is not going to be happy with?

ericmay 24d ago
You can be mad at America and ignore Iran's role if you want, but that doesn't lead you to anywhere productive. The United States like any country is an actor on the world stage that has interests and can take action to defend or assert those interests. If the world thinks this is a problem, they should have mediated between the United States and Iran and helped to prevent conflict. Instead they did next to nothing. War happened. Cue surprise and condemnation.
- LtWorf 24d ago
  What was Iran's role? Defending themselves?
  - ericmay 24d ago
    Let me ask you a question. Can you explain over the last 5 years any bad or unjust thing Iran has done? I'm curious what your list is.
    - m4rtink 24d ago
      Arming all their proxies in the region so they can indisriminately kill people ? Firing balistic missiles and drones on cities ? Atacking civilian ships & killing many sailors just doing their job ?
      - ericmay 24d ago
        I know. It was a rhetorical question. I want the person I was replying to, to admit to these non-defensive activities, or admit to their not following the events closely.
        theplumber 24d ago
        I think the rhetorical answer is why should we care if Iran is doing bad stuff around? Is that enough to start a war with Iran? We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all)
        ericmay 24d ago
        Why should we care that Israel is doing bad stuff around? Or Russia? > We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all) Not stealing oil. Let’s set that aside. The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing!
        LtWorf 24d ago
        > The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing! And now it's even worse but USA gets free oil so it's all fine!
        ericmay 23d ago
        No, it's better now. Most Venezuelans are glad that Maduro is gone and their economy will improve greatly over the next decade or so. The US isn't "getting oil for free".
        LtWorf 19d ago
        Have you seen how much the USA is paying for it? How do you think the venezuelan economy will improve greatly while giving away resources?
        23d ago
- anonymousDan 24d ago
  I think the world has had just about enough of wasting their time trying to mediate with your idiot of a president...
- bad_haircut72 24d ago
  The entire world turning against American hedgemony is going to have "productive" repurcussions.
- theplumber 24d ago
  I think the world will start mediating but not in the way you think/want. They will just divest from the U.S., slowly but surely so that when the next U.S clown start messing around they don’t have to flatter it anymore.
  - oblio 24d ago
    They are divesting. Moving gold away from the US, selling US bonds, the EU creating an investment mechanism meant to pull EU investment away from the US and into EU companies, etc.
    - ericmay 23d ago
      > They are divesting. No they're not. > Moving gold away from the US, The Netherlands still maintains gold in the US and also divested from Canada. It's also like, $80 billion dollars which is maybe a lot to a tiny country with the GDP of Florida but it's an inconsequential amount to, say, the American economy. Second there are mechanical and legal reasons you might want to have more gold in London where it is more easily tradable. > the EU creating an investment mechanism meant to pull EU investment away from the US and into EU companies If you claim this is a divestment from the US (the most important market for many European countries) then you also have to claim the EU is divesting away from China.
      - oblio 23d ago
        France is moving away gold, Germany is, look at the trend. Also Japan is selling US bonds. Everyone is moving away from the US as best it can.

You can be mad at America and ignore Iran's role if you want, but that doesn't lead you to anywhere productive. The United States like any country is an actor on the world stage that has interests and can take action to defend or assert those interests. If the world thinks this is a problem, they should have mediated between the United States and Iran and helped to prevent conflict. Instead they did next to nothing. War happened. Cue surprise and condemnation.

LtWorf 24d ago
What was Iran's role? Defending themselves?
- ericmay 24d ago
  Let me ask you a question. Can you explain over the last 5 years any bad or unjust thing Iran has done? I'm curious what your list is.
  - m4rtink 24d ago
    Arming all their proxies in the region so they can indisriminately kill people ? Firing balistic missiles and drones on cities ? Atacking civilian ships & killing many sailors just doing their job ?
    - ericmay 24d ago
      I know. It was a rhetorical question. I want the person I was replying to, to admit to these non-defensive activities, or admit to their not following the events closely.
      - theplumber 24d ago
        I think the rhetorical answer is why should we care if Iran is doing bad stuff around? Is that enough to start a war with Iran? We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all)
        ericmay 24d ago
        Why should we care that Israel is doing bad stuff around? Or Russia? > We don’t care if Trump is doing a deal with criminals to steal oil from Venezuela either so why should the world be so eager to help him steal oil from Iran as well?(and perhaps do a deal with the meanest of them all) Not stealing oil. Let’s set that aside. The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing!
        LtWorf 24d ago
        > The reason nobody cares is because Maduro was a criminal and was responsible for economic devastation in Venezuela resulting in 1/3rd of the country fleeing! And now it's even worse but USA gets free oil so it's all fine!
        ericmay 23d ago
        No, it's better now. Most Venezuelans are glad that Maduro is gone and their economy will improve greatly over the next decade or so. The US isn't "getting oil for free".
        LtWorf 19d ago
        Have you seen how much the USA is paying for it? How do you think the venezuelan economy will improve greatly while giving away resources?
        23d ago
anonymousDan 24d ago
I think the world has had just about enough of wasting their time trying to mediate with your idiot of a president...
bad_haircut72 24d ago
The entire world turning against American hedgemony is going to have "productive" repurcussions.
theplumber 24d ago
I think the world will start mediating but not in the way you think/want. They will just divest from the U.S., slowly but surely so that when the next U.S clown start messing around they don’t have to flatter it anymore.
- oblio 24d ago
  They are divesting. Moving gold away from the US, selling US bonds, the EU creating an investment mechanism meant to pull EU investment away from the US and into EU companies, etc.
  - ericmay 23d ago
    > They are divesting. No they're not. > Moving gold away from the US, The Netherlands still maintains gold in the US and also divested from Canada. It's also like, $80 billion dollars which is maybe a lot to a tiny country with the GDP of Florida but it's an inconsequential amount to, say, the American economy. Second there are mechanical and legal reasons you might want to have more gold in London where it is more easily tradable. > the EU creating an investment mechanism meant to pull EU investment away from the US and into EU companies If you claim this is a divestment from the US (the most important market for many European countries) then you also have to claim the EU is divesting away from China.
    - oblio 23d ago
      France is moving away gold, Germany is, look at the trend. Also Japan is selling US bonds. Everyone is moving away from the US as best it can.