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Yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha > "God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory t

Yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha > "God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam"

mrala 15d ago
This is also mentioned in the article that you linked: > In April 2016, during UN-brokered peace talks in Kuwait, Houthi representatives gave the United States a "sincere apology" for the "Death to America" slogan, claiming that the slogan was used for "domestic consumption as a means to attract support in the streets and create a common cause between their supporters to keep them united." > During the Red Sea crisis, Houthi supporters waved the flag of Palestine every Friday during anti-Gaza genocide and anti-western attacks on Yemen demonstrations, alongside the slogan and flag of Yemen. A new Houthi slogan appeared after the group's re-designation as a terrorist organisation: "America is the mother of terrorism" set on a red background.
- tptacek 15d ago
  They did that just as they began the starvation siege of Taiz.
- fwip 15d ago
  > A new Houthi slogan appeared after the group's re-designation as a terrorist organisation: "America is the mother of terrorism" set on a red background. Well, they're not wrong.
  - inglor_cz 15d ago
    They are wrong. Muhammad's terror campaigns predate the US by more than a thousand years.
    - bigyabai 14d ago
      "is the mother", not "was the mother" If you take this all the way back to ancient history, nobody will be happy with the examples we drum up.
      - inglor_cz 14d ago
        I agree with you, but that also means that no one can claim to be a parent of terrorism. It is just one long series of bastards from the eve of civilization up.
    - fwip 14d ago
      Calling Muhammad a terrorist is really a special amount of Islamophobia.
      - inglor_cz 13d ago
        Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion and a right to be disgusted by particular religious figures. No one owes even an ounce of respect to any bearded prophet out there, this is literally the essence of a liberal society: the very absence of blasphemy (that you recast as "Islamophobia", same thing under a different name, only sounds more modern) as a concept. Muhammad had between 400 and 900 POWs of the Banu Quraish tribe beheaded. Not calling this terrorism means twisting the very meaning of terrorism into pretzels.
        fwip 13d ago
        Executing captured combatants was not atypical for the time period. I doubt you'll find many historians calling the Massacre at Verden terrorism, for instance, despite executing 4500 prisoners.
        inglor_cz 11d ago
        The fact that it used to be somewhat more typical (though not everyday occurrence) does not make it less of terrorism. That definition does not depend on frequency of an event. It depends on the use of terror to achieve political means, and a mass beheading definitely tells the vanquished people that from now they'd rather obey their new overlords. It is a matter of linguistic taste if we use such word in medieval context, but the principle is the same as in modern terrorism, and jihadists of the 21st century explicitly say that they are motivated and inspired by Muhammad's acts like this one.
tkel 15d ago
Kind of a good example on why conflating Judaism with Zionism leads to anti-semitism.

Yep https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sarkha > "God is great, Death to America, Death to Israel, Curse on the Jews, Victory to Islam"

mrala 15d ago

This is also mentioned in the article that you linked: > In April 2016, during UN-brokered peace talks in Kuwait, Houthi representatives gave the United States a "sincere apology" for the "Death to America" slogan, claiming that the slogan was used for "domestic consumption as a means to attract support in the streets and create a common cause between their supporters to keep them united." > During the Red Sea crisis, Houthi supporters waved the flag of Palestine every Friday during anti-Gaza genocide and anti-western attacks on Yemen demonstrations, alongside the slogan and flag of Yemen. A new Houthi slogan appeared after the group's re-designation as a terrorist organisation: "America is the mother of terrorism" set on a red background.

tptacek 15d ago
They did that just as they began the starvation siege of Taiz.
fwip 15d ago
> A new Houthi slogan appeared after the group's re-designation as a terrorist organisation: "America is the mother of terrorism" set on a red background. Well, they're not wrong.
- inglor_cz 15d ago
  They are wrong. Muhammad's terror campaigns predate the US by more than a thousand years.
  - bigyabai 14d ago
    "is the mother", not "was the mother" If you take this all the way back to ancient history, nobody will be happy with the examples we drum up.
    - inglor_cz 14d ago
      I agree with you, but that also means that no one can claim to be a parent of terrorism. It is just one long series of bastards from the eve of civilization up.
  - fwip 14d ago
    Calling Muhammad a terrorist is really a special amount of Islamophobia.
    - inglor_cz 13d ago
      Freedom of religion is also freedom from religion and a right to be disgusted by particular religious figures. No one owes even an ounce of respect to any bearded prophet out there, this is literally the essence of a liberal society: the very absence of blasphemy (that you recast as "Islamophobia", same thing under a different name, only sounds more modern) as a concept. Muhammad had between 400 and 900 POWs of the Banu Quraish tribe beheaded. Not calling this terrorism means twisting the very meaning of terrorism into pretzels.
      - fwip 13d ago
        Executing captured combatants was not atypical for the time period. I doubt you'll find many historians calling the Massacre at Verden terrorism, for instance, despite executing 4500 prisoners.
        inglor_cz 11d ago
        The fact that it used to be somewhat more typical (though not everyday occurrence) does not make it less of terrorism. That definition does not depend on frequency of an event. It depends on the use of terror to achieve political means, and a mass beheading definitely tells the vanquished people that from now they'd rather obey their new overlords. It is a matter of linguistic taste if we use such word in medieval context, but the principle is the same as in modern terrorism, and jihadists of the 21st century explicitly say that they are motivated and inspired by Muhammad's acts like this one.

tkel 15d ago

Kind of a good example on why conflating Judaism with Zionism leads to anti-semitism.