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A poll conducted for Reuters by an institute whose ex-CEO has historically expressed anti-Beijing and HK pro-succession views and has since moved to UK.[1] Yea,
by aurareturn 1mo ago
A poll conducted for Reuters by an institute whose ex-CEO has historically expressed anti-Beijing and HK pro-succession views and has since moved to UK.[1] Yea, no bias there.
Reuters is a British news agency wholly owned by Thomson Reuters[0]
Even in that survey, you can clearly see that the locals did not want all the things the protestors/western media wanted.
Nevertheless, only 17% expressed support for seeking independence from China, and 20% were opposed to "the current path of one country, two systems" - the arrangement under which Hong Kong is governed by Beijing.
Many protesters say Beijing has used its authority under the system to gradually undermine certain freedoms - such as an independent judiciary and freedom of speech - that are supposed to be guaranteed at least until 2047 under the arrangement.
The results of the survey, involving 1,021 people and conducted from Dec. 17-20, also showed a large plurality of respondents mainly blamed the Hong Kong government for the crisis, the worst civil unrest to hit the city in decades, rather than the central government in Beijing.
This paper directly contradicts your claim it was mainly due to housing [4].
Summarize it? Having lived in Hong Kong and talked to many locals, had local friends, talked to young HKers, no one could convince me that housing wasn't the biggest reason for the pent up frustration that ultimately led to the protests.
[0]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Reuters
[1]https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Chung_Kim-wah
- _DeadFred_ 1mo agoNormally numbers are countered with numbers that back up your position, not personal anecdotes and attacks on source credibility.
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- aurareturn 1mo agoI mean, the numbers speak for themselves right? Only 37% participated in any demonstration - likely only the non-violent ones in the beginning. His source doesn't actually disprove what I said - that most locals hated the protests.
- F3nd0 1mo ago37% participating in demonstrations implies that for your statement to hold true, around 80% of all the remaining people who did not participate in a demonstration would’ve had to hate the protests. I find it somewhat implausible that less than 20% of the people who didn’t go to a demonstration had either positive or somewhat neutral feelings on the matter. Surely the population of Hong Kong is not this neatly divided between two extremes?
- aurareturn 1mo agoThere is a difference between demonstrations and violent protests. The protests lasted nearly a year. Lastly, let's just say that the survey source is highly suspect. It's commissioned by a British news agency with an institute whose CEO has been accused for treason and has expressed pro-succession views and has since been exiled to the UK.
- latent-person 1mo ago> Lastly, let's just say that the survey source is highly suspect. It's commissioned by a British news agency with an institute whose CEO has been accused for treason and has expressed pro-succession views and has since been exiled to the UK. Now you mistake [3] for [1] too? [3] is a peer reviewed paper (just like [2]), and neither [2] nor [3] has anything to do with Reuters (the British news agency you refer to). Let me link [3] again for you: [3]https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/article/total-mobilization-from-below-hong-kongs-freedom-summer/92BA12D2EEA5782B4330B0D07B389842 https://www.cambridge.org/core/journals/china-quarterly/arti... edit: Since max depth I'll just reply here (since you clearly also argue in bad faith). You claimed the paper had relation to a British news agency, it doesn't. So factually you are wrong, end of story.
- aurareturn 1mo ago"Peer reviewed". My goodness. No, I'm not mistaken. Regardless, how was your experience living in HK in 2019? Hopefully you've talked to many locals in cantonese?
- latent-person 1mo agoOkay use my 2nd source then? Data source: > The survey data reported in this article were collected via a telephone survey conducted by a research centre at a university in Hong Kong from May to June 2020. And they also quote this paper with very similar results > Chung, Ting-Yiu Robert, Pang, Ka-Lai Karie, Lee, Wing-Yi Winnie, and Edward, Chit-Fai, comp. 2020. Survey on Hong Kong People’s Views Regarding the Anti-Extradition Bill Movement (Round 3). Hong Kong Public Opinion Research Institute. July 10. Accessed March 19, 2025. I summarized it with a quote? What do you want? Alternatively/also read 2nd source, which also discuss it, and again they say economic/housing was a factor, but not the largest like you claimed.
- aurareturn 1mo agoOkay use my 2nd source then? Data source: That's the Reuters one. I summarized it with a quote? What do you want? Alternatively/also read 2nd source, which also discuss it, and again they say economic/housing was a factor, but not the largest like you claimed. Why did they say housing wasn't a reason or the main reason for the youth that continued the year long violent protests?
- latent-person 1mo agoWhat is Reuters about the data source being a phone survey conducted by a research centre at a university in Hong Kong? (Or the 2nd source they linked to which I quoted above)?
- aurareturn 1mo agoThey collected the data FOR Reuters. I guess you didn’t check your own source.
- latent-person 1mo agoSource? And just so we are clear, are you suggesting academic malpractice, that the university intentionally designed it to be biased?
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