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If a song was made purely of samples with no original input I'd argue it's in the same category. Maybe AI uses less of any individual song, but does AI make som

by czpl 21d ago

If a song was made purely of samples with no original input I'd argue it's in the same category. Maybe AI uses less of any individual song, but does AI make something actually original and transformative or is it just bits and pieces of all the things it learnt on (in simplified terms)? I think that's where the discussion lies.

mapontosevenths 21d ago
Entirely new works are often created entirely from samples, and can be amazing. See "Frontier Psychiatrist" by The Avalanches for one example done entirely by humans. There are many others.
- czpl 21d ago
  Amazing or not, that is not the discussion. LLM output can look amazing as well but that's not what I'm arguing about. Also with LLM's we'll reach a point when everything is made out of samples (metaphorically speaking), where do we fit original content then, or who will make it if it means it's going to be consumed by data centers immediately.
  - mapontosevenths 21d ago
    > Also with LLM's we'll reach a point when everything is made out of samples We reached that point with humans long ago. There's nothing new under the sun. Only remixes of dead peoples greatest hits. The pentatonic scale, for example, was not invented by the people who use it. Science and art would have to start over from scratch if you expect things to all be genuinely new from first principles. > who will make it if it means it's going to be consumed by data centers immediately People who enjoy making it.
    - czpl 21d ago
      people who enjoy making it won't be able to afford to do it, alternatively only rich people will have means to do so. So I guess thats progress in some eyes
      - mapontosevenths 21d ago
        > people who enjoy making it won't be able to afford to do it The demand for paintings did not disappear when photography was invented. Though many Luddites claimed it would. There were even those who wanted cameras outlawed to protect the artists livelihoods. Do you think we should have listened to those people? Is this situation different from that one?

by czpl 21d ago

mapontosevenths 21d ago

Entirely new works are often created entirely from samples, and can be amazing. See "Frontier Psychiatrist" by The Avalanches for one example done entirely by humans. There are many others.

czpl 21d ago
Amazing or not, that is not the discussion. LLM output can look amazing as well but that's not what I'm arguing about. Also with LLM's we'll reach a point when everything is made out of samples (metaphorically speaking), where do we fit original content then, or who will make it if it means it's going to be consumed by data centers immediately.
- mapontosevenths 21d ago
  > Also with LLM's we'll reach a point when everything is made out of samples We reached that point with humans long ago. There's nothing new under the sun. Only remixes of dead peoples greatest hits. The pentatonic scale, for example, was not invented by the people who use it. Science and art would have to start over from scratch if you expect things to all be genuinely new from first principles. > who will make it if it means it's going to be consumed by data centers immediately People who enjoy making it.
  - czpl 21d ago
    people who enjoy making it won't be able to afford to do it, alternatively only rich people will have means to do so. So I guess thats progress in some eyes
    - mapontosevenths 21d ago
      > people who enjoy making it won't be able to afford to do it The demand for paintings did not disappear when photography was invented. Though many Luddites claimed it would. There were even those who wanted cameras outlawed to protect the artists livelihoods. Do you think we should have listened to those people? Is this situation different from that one?