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This seems like a no win situation for the subordinate pilot. Grabbing the wheel of an aircraft while landing must have its own set of risks. We also only hear
by detourdog 21d ago
This seems like a no win situation for the subordinate pilot. Grabbing the wheel of an aircraft while landing must have its own set of risks. We also only hear about the times when the subordinate pilot didn’t prevent a crash. Never hear about the times they were mistaken and did nothing.
- hbcdbff 21d agoHe doesn’t need to “grab the wheel”. Simply saying “go-around” would have been enough, it’s highly highly unlikely that the captain would have ignored that.
- Iolaum 21d agolol! OP writes: PM finally said "too fast, go around" but PF ignored him (or likely did not hear)
- hbcdbff 21d agoI don’t see this in the official CVR transcript from the NTSB. Only mention of “around” is the go-around called on the ground, 15s before CVR stopped
- drillsteps5 21d agoYes I was wrong. Looking at the transcript that go-around call out was likely from the PF; that's where the data recorder indicates the brakes were released the throttle set to max for the go-around (and go back to braking only 4 sec later). Still, the PM notified PF that they were going too fast many times during the approach. All warnings were ignored.
- stouset 21d ago“Go around. My controls.” Four words said by the pilot monitoring that any pilot flying will understand and react automatically to.
- Mawr 20d agoAn overcautious go-around is a non-event though. A big part of the monitoring pilot's job is noticing when things have gotten too far and taking over controls. This does very much include scenarios when the pilot flying has fallen to tunnel vision, subtle incapacitation, and the continuation/sunk cost fallacy.