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Sounds like you don't have enough experience with coding agents. Deterministic scripts must always be preferred instead of LLM tool calls. In fact, you should i

• weird-eye-issue 15d ago
  Sounds like you completely lack all reading comprehension ability LLMs sometimes like to execute one-off Python scripts to make edits to files rather than just calling the edit tool directly. Both are tool calls so saying that you should have it write code instead of doing tool calls makes no sense because writing code is a tool call for it...
  • d5lt5 15d ago
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    • arcanemachiner 15d ago
      They're talking about writing a file with a harness-native Edit tool. They're saying the agents aren't doing that, but are using ad-hoc methods of writing the files. (My agents seem to prefer see these days.)
      • d5lt5 15d ago
        Why do you think your agents prefer to create scripts instead of doing tool calls these days? I wonder, is it easier to modify a script that agent wrote before to satisfy your prompt, or is it easier to write a new one from scratch each time a retry happens? Are input tokens more expensive than output tokens?
        • weird-eye-issue 15d ago
          My god. They are not reusing the scripts. They are adhoc, inline Python scripts just used to make a single edit. You seem to fundamentally not understand what everyone else is talking about
          • d5lt5 15d ago
            They do reuse scripts, though. Maybe it's you who is too lazy to _comprehend_ the output? Or, maybe your prompts are not good enough. And it's not my problem to fix, as you claim you are very experienced.
            • weird-eye-issue 15d ago
              Nobody else is talking about the reusable scripts they create, we are talking about it using inline Python to make edits to files instead of just editing it with the Edit tool. But I don't know why I'm explaining this to you again because you clearly don't understand lol Vibe coders like you who don't even understand basic fundamentals are pretty infuriating because you don't even understand what everyone else is talking about
              • d5lt5 11d ago
                Ah, a personal attack again. "Vibe coders like you". I'm pretty sure I have at least two decades more of experience in the field than you have though. Talking about basic fundamentals yet not understanding how LLMs work, that is very rich coming from you. Go back to your subreddit bubble. Maybe you can vide code something useful at this point.
                • weird-eye-issue 10d ago
                  It's funny because you don't even know what the rest of us are talking about.
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    • elAhmo 15d ago
      Are you saying scripts from agents are deterministic? :)
      • d5lt5 15d ago
        Why don't you try to dispove me. Yes, they are _more_ deterministic than tool calls and consume less tokens.
        • elAhmo 15d ago
          There is nothing to disprove as you don't understand what does a word mean. Deterministic is not a spectrum, they can either be deterministic or not. In both cases, they are not.
          • d5lt5 15d ago
            Oh, I'm so sorry I touched your paper feelings. How dared I to imply that some LLM output is more deterministic than the other, your LLM majesty. Shame on me and my entire family! For generations to come! So sorry I implied that the code that doesn't work and has to be fixed later is deterministic in its execution and can be reused later instead of being re-generated from scratch! Will I ever wash it off my name, your grace?
            • owebmaster 15d ago
              That's a weird response. Both form and content. Anyway you are wrong, the tool calls are deterministic, generating a one-shot script isn't.
              • d5lt5 11d ago
                Holy moly. How did you arrive to that conclusion? Why do you think openai and anthropic train their models to generate scripts instead of tool calls now? Maybe you work there, or maybe not good enough? Calling scripts wins long term. Maybe you haven't had a chance to work with agents for months on the same task and observing them getting looped. That is your ignorance talking. Why am I even discussing it with people who don't understand basic costs of time and money, ffs.
• buildbot 15d ago
  Plenty of experience ;)
  • d5lt5 15d ago
    Then why did you comment what you commented, good sir/madam. Claude and Codex are good at remembering to use scripts instead of tools these days, especially if your <32kb .md file mentions it. Not even talking about the skills designed to catch such issues.