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This should not be the case for any modern airline; too many accidents were caused by exactly this problem in the past. However, I don't doubt shady operations

This should not be the case for any modern airline; too many accidents were caused by exactly this problem in the past. However, I don't doubt shady operations might be doing this(more so if they aren't carrying passengers). They won't be around for long if they are caught doing this kind of nonsense and it causes an incident (or accident in this case). Today there may be some rules (more than X go arounds because of weather, you have to divert, etc).

rbanffy 24d ago
> I don't doubt shady operations If there is a company willing to bend rules to increase profits, I'd bet it'd be Amazon's retail side. Not via explicit punishment, because that'd be too easy to catch, but bonuses for timely arrivals, fuel efficiency, and so on.
- tekla 24d ago
  Provide evidence of any of this, or are you just spreading random fud because you don't like Amazon. Claiming that this company is making Aviation unsafe is a serious accusation, that requires evidence.
  - throwaway173738 24d ago
    Well they tend to optimize heavily by discouraging things like bathroom breaks, and I’ve seen evidence of this thinking in how they treat their drivers. I’m not sure why this would be extraordinary? On its face those incentives don’t sound bad except that they will incentivize unsafe behavior in edge cases like this.
    - tekla 24d ago
      Why do you think delivery driver stuff is any way comparable to aviation? Do you have evidence of pilots being forced to do unsafe things?
      - kayodelycaon 24d ago
        I think it matters a lot because Amazon doesn’t have their own airline. They contract out their aviation to multiple companies. The incentive is to pick the lowest bid and that could be a company whose culture creates indirect pressure on pilots to be on time. All it takes is a dispatcher in a small company that is constantly irritated when things are late. Knowing that the other people are going to be angry with you for being late can make you hesitant to go around, causing exactly this type of accident. Is this what happened? Probably not. Pilots get tunnel vision for any number of reasons.

rbanffy 24d ago

> I don't doubt shady operations If there is a company willing to bend rules to increase profits, I'd bet it'd be Amazon's retail side. Not via explicit punishment, because that'd be too easy to catch, but bonuses for timely arrivals, fuel efficiency, and so on.

tekla 24d ago
Provide evidence of any of this, or are you just spreading random fud because you don't like Amazon. Claiming that this company is making Aviation unsafe is a serious accusation, that requires evidence.
- throwaway173738 24d ago
  Well they tend to optimize heavily by discouraging things like bathroom breaks, and I’ve seen evidence of this thinking in how they treat their drivers. I’m not sure why this would be extraordinary? On its face those incentives don’t sound bad except that they will incentivize unsafe behavior in edge cases like this.
  - tekla 24d ago
    Why do you think delivery driver stuff is any way comparable to aviation? Do you have evidence of pilots being forced to do unsafe things?
    - kayodelycaon 24d ago
      I think it matters a lot because Amazon doesn’t have their own airline. They contract out their aviation to multiple companies. The incentive is to pick the lowest bid and that could be a company whose culture creates indirect pressure on pilots to be on time. All it takes is a dispatcher in a small company that is constantly irritated when things are late. Knowing that the other people are going to be angry with you for being late can make you hesitant to go around, causing exactly this type of accident. Is this what happened? Probably not. Pilots get tunnel vision for any number of reasons.