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https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety-record/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety... > The Amazon Prime Air Boe

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety-record/ https://www.cbsnews.com/news/miami-plane-crash-21-air-safety... > The Amazon Prime Air Boeing 767 cargo plane that crashed off a Miami runway on Sunday, killing five people, was operated by a North Carolina company that has been accused by past employees of violating safety regulations, legal documents reveal. There's a lot in the article, but this allegation is worth highlighting: > Seuring's attorney, Michael Anello, told the judge that another 21 Air pilot, Johnny Salmonson, "was being pressured to fly in periods of time that were too short to comply with the proper amounts of rest, and that implicated safety. The layovers were too short."

toomuchtodo 23d ago
Ahh, so the Amazon delivery contractor squeeze but the air cargo version, with the air cargo corporate entity shielding Amazon from liability.
- myself248 23d ago
  We'll see if the NTSB mentions piss bottles in the cabin.
  - throw1923847 23d ago
    I don't really see how it's possible since the plane probably has a lavatory for the pilots.
    - ElProlactin 23d ago
      Maybe those were taken out so that the plane was capable of carrying more packages.
    - thisismyanon2 22d ago
      Cargo airplanes typically don't.
    - buildsjets 22d ago
      It costs money to have a contractor service the lavatory waste tank after every flight. Since the lavatory is not on the Minimum Equipment List, it would cost 30 minutes of paperwork to update the maintenance log and declare it inoperative. Depends on how much of a psychopath the person doing the cost-benefit analysis is I suppose.
dghlsakjg 23d ago
Notably, none of those allegations from the fired former chief(!) pilot actively suing the company while appealing his rejected OSHA case touch on in-flight procedures. If any of those are true, it will be very bad for the carrier, but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on.
- ElProlactin 23d ago
  > ...but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on. If pilots weren't being given enough rest time, as alleged, you don't believe that might affect decision-making in the cockpit?
  - thisismyanon2 22d ago
    Even if the pilots were getting their legally mandated rest, passenger pilots are held to a higher crew rest requirements because the lessons learned from Colgan Air only apply to passenger airlines. Even if that were enough rest the flight departed at what was likely their circadian low.

toomuchtodo 23d ago

Ahh, so the Amazon delivery contractor squeeze but the air cargo version, with the air cargo corporate entity shielding Amazon from liability.

myself248 23d ago
We'll see if the NTSB mentions piss bottles in the cabin.
- throw1923847 23d ago
  I don't really see how it's possible since the plane probably has a lavatory for the pilots.
  - ElProlactin 23d ago
    Maybe those were taken out so that the plane was capable of carrying more packages.
  - thisismyanon2 22d ago
    Cargo airplanes typically don't.
  - buildsjets 22d ago
    It costs money to have a contractor service the lavatory waste tank after every flight. Since the lavatory is not on the Minimum Equipment List, it would cost 30 minutes of paperwork to update the maintenance log and declare it inoperative. Depends on how much of a psychopath the person doing the cost-benefit analysis is I suppose.

dghlsakjg 23d ago

Notably, none of those allegations from the fired former chief(!) pilot actively suing the company while appealing his rejected OSHA case touch on in-flight procedures. If any of those are true, it will be very bad for the carrier, but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on.

ElProlactin 23d ago
> ...but they are not related to any of the failures being reported on. If pilots weren't being given enough rest time, as alleged, you don't believe that might affect decision-making in the cockpit?
- thisismyanon2 22d ago
  Even if the pilots were getting their legally mandated rest, passenger pilots are held to a higher crew rest requirements because the lessons learned from Colgan Air only apply to passenger airlines. Even if that were enough rest the flight departed at what was likely their circadian low.