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And it's still done today. Denatured or methylated alcohol is a common product used around the world as a common solvent. Instead of using denatured alcohol to

And it's still done today. Denatured or methylated alcohol is a common product used around the world as a common solvent. Instead of using denatured alcohol to mix shellac I just get 190 proof grain alcohol since it's cheaper, but it's available in very few states.

monochromatic 14y ago
Where is grain alcohol cheaper than denatured?
sliverstorm 14y ago
That makes sense though. I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors- so what do you do about industrial usage? Do you want to be carded to buy solvents? Should a teenager be prevented from buying solvents for painting?
- lsc 14y ago
  > I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors Hey kid; don't take the car out without my permission. And just in case you get any ideas while mom and I are out this weekend, I've rigged the brakes to fail 15 minutes after you start the car. Be good! Man, I'm glad you ain't my daddy. >Do you want to be carded to buy solvents? Should a teenager be prevented from buying solvents for painting? Most places (in the sacramento area?.. I haven't bought spraypaint in a while.) card you when buying spraypaint. I have certainly been carded for buying solvents that one could potentially huff. It's certainly not as consistent or as well-enforced as alcohol, but it's done.
- forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
  "I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely available to minors" And this is one of your main problems as a country. When I was a kid in Spain I had access to as much alcohol as I wanted, so with all my family and friends and school partners (hundreds of people). We had very few problems with that, being a "borracho" was bad seen by society but moderate consumption was normal. There is nothing wrong for a kid drinking some wine or Sider or Cava for lunch, in fact a lot of families continue giving their children access to low grade alcoholic drinks as it was done since the Romans(before water filtering 100 years ago drinking water alone meant death by water microorganisms). Later they forbid it, and "botellon" appeared. It was cool to do something against the law, "borracho" was replace with "pedo" without the negative connotations, and our young people started drinking like there was not tomorrow.
  - adestefan 14y ago
    190 proof alcohol, which is what is used as a solvent, is also really, really bad for you. I know it's available as a In few US states, but what is the availability in other countries?
    - winthrowe 14y ago
      The most I've ever seen for general sale in Canada is 150 proof rum.
    - kragen 14y ago
      It's not particularly any worse for you than twice the quantity of 95-proof alcohol or four times the quantity of 47-proof, although of course any kind of alcohol is pretty bad. 96% pure alcohol (192 proof) is universally available in grocery stores and pharmacies here in Argentina, and most brands bear a notice stating that it is suitable for food use; a few of them also carry methylated spirits at a slightly lower price. I use the pure alcohol for cleaning and fuel.
  - sliverstorm 14y ago
    Yes, but I don't try to address that debate because fact of the matter is it won't be changing any time soon.
- betterunix 14y ago
  "I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors" Really? I was thinking more along the lines of "lower the drinking age and raise the driving age." I would rather see teenagers drinking than teenagers driving.
- jws 14y ago
  There is also a tax issue. You don't pay the spirits tax on yor solvents.

monochromatic 14y ago

Where is grain alcohol cheaper than denatured?

sliverstorm 14y ago

That makes sense though. I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors- so what do you do about industrial usage? Do you want to be carded to buy solvents? Should a teenager be prevented from buying solvents for painting?

lsc 14y ago
> I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors Hey kid; don't take the car out without my permission. And just in case you get any ideas while mom and I are out this weekend, I've rigged the brakes to fail 15 minutes after you start the car. Be good! Man, I'm glad you ain't my daddy. >Do you want to be carded to buy solvents? Should a teenager be prevented from buying solvents for painting? Most places (in the sacramento area?.. I haven't bought spraypaint in a while.) card you when buying spraypaint. I have certainly been carded for buying solvents that one could potentially huff. It's certainly not as consistent or as well-enforced as alcohol, but it's done.
forgottenpaswrd 14y ago
"I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely available to minors" And this is one of your main problems as a country. When I was a kid in Spain I had access to as much alcohol as I wanted, so with all my family and friends and school partners (hundreds of people). We had very few problems with that, being a "borracho" was bad seen by society but moderate consumption was normal. There is nothing wrong for a kid drinking some wine or Sider or Cava for lunch, in fact a lot of families continue giving their children access to low grade alcoholic drinks as it was done since the Romans(before water filtering 100 years ago drinking water alone meant death by water microorganisms). Later they forbid it, and "botellon" appeared. It was cool to do something against the law, "borracho" was replace with "pedo" without the negative connotations, and our young people started drinking like there was not tomorrow.
- adestefan 14y ago
  190 proof alcohol, which is what is used as a solvent, is also really, really bad for you. I know it's available as a In few US states, but what is the availability in other countries?
  - winthrowe 14y ago
    The most I've ever seen for general sale in Canada is 150 proof rum.
  - kragen 14y ago
    It's not particularly any worse for you than twice the quantity of 95-proof alcohol or four times the quantity of 47-proof, although of course any kind of alcohol is pretty bad. 96% pure alcohol (192 proof) is universally available in grocery stores and pharmacies here in Argentina, and most brands bear a notice stating that it is suitable for food use; a few of them also carry methylated spirits at a slightly lower price. I use the pure alcohol for cleaning and fuel.
- sliverstorm 14y ago
  Yes, but I don't try to address that debate because fact of the matter is it won't be changing any time soon.
betterunix 14y ago
"I think we generally agree as a country that we don't want to make alcohol freely availible to minors" Really? I was thinking more along the lines of "lower the drinking age and raise the driving age." I would rather see teenagers drinking than teenagers driving.
jws 14y ago
There is also a tax issue. You don't pay the spirits tax on yor solvents.