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If you win (like Jobs against Flash/Adobe) you're a hero, if you lose people trash your name. A lot of stupid people are swayed by the bots paid by the dark PR

If you win (like Jobs against Flash/Adobe) you're a hero, if you lose people trash your name. A lot of stupid people are swayed by the bots paid by the dark PR firms that PE engages to astroturf things and two-brain-cell "technical" YouTubers that have never optimized milliseconds off code that runs billions of times a day, never set up a rack that terabits flow through...

mthoms 16d ago
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- JumpCrisscross 15d ago
  > You're a dinosaur Why is this necessary?!
  - mthoms 15d ago
    Dinosaur is often used to describe someone who has grown out-of-touch with their industry. It aptly describes the technical skills Matt was just breathlessly boasting about. In case you missed it, Matt's boast was part of his attack on people like me who disagree with him ("stupid people swayed by bots") and his direct personal attack on YouTuber Theo Browne, whom he described as having "two brain cells". In the context Matt established himself, "dinosaur" is pretty tame, no? Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. I'll tone it down. But if you're going to police the comments, kindly consider applying the policing equally. Just because someone is a quasi-famous tech celebrity, it shouldn't give their behaviour a pass. Edit: I just noticed that elsewhere in this thread he calls his opponents (myself included) "idiots", yet there's no policing on that comment. Apparently, it's only "dinosaur" that crosses your red line.
    - JumpCrisscross 15d ago
      > yet there's no policing on that comment I flagged his comment. I think your comment was stronger without the personal insult. So I engaged.
    - photomatt 12d ago
      FWIW, I think Theo is great.
- dofm 15d ago
  This is rude and plainly horseshit. We still have the web at all basically because of Wordpress. I have been critical and I dunno, maybe I spoke fully out of turn, though it was from real concern. But reading this makes me regret saying anything.
  - JumpCrisscross 15d ago
    > This is rude and plainly horseshit It's rude but...the Steve Jobs self-insert stage entrance is straight out of The Onion.
  - mthoms 15d ago
    >We still have the web at all basically because of Wordpress. I strongly disagree with the premise. Aside from that, "WordPress" is 100% controlled by one guy. A guy who has repeatedly demonstrated total and complete disregard for the community. Ergo "we" don't "have" WordPress; It's something we're allowed to use (until Matt decides to ban us for an arbitrary, petty reason that doesn't even require articulation). That's not something that belongs to a proverbial "we". That's the point.
domador 15d ago
It's quite apt that you mentioned Jobs, given that many former admirers have reconsidered their admiration for him in the light of his often being an inconsiderate jerk. One can be a winner as far as technical and business achievements are concerned, but ultimately a loser due to how they generally treat other people. In my case, I'll take Woz over Jobs any day. Steve Jobs is not my hero.
dofm 15d ago
Matt, for clarity, if you see this, since this is a thread I kicked off perhaps by being imprecise and certainly by being somewhat critical: I am full of admiration for what you have achieved, I believe you should feel proud of it, and I think we in the wider WP and web world have benefited greatly from your assertiveness and confidence for literally decades. I think perhaps the tech industry has taken for granted what WP represents and what it has held at bay. I also see that things are going badly wrong, and having experienced a couple of years of severe burnout where I too came fully unglued and have not exactly covered myself in glory, I worry. As I have said elsewhere, I think there is a future where a lot of real differences and temporary difficulties are in the past. I hope for you that you get to that place, and I think stepping back from the things you built that can look after themselves, and focussing your energies on your health and the broader things that have mattered to you is the way forward. I can see people have taken issue with me saying “mentally ill” when I might have said “unwell”. But I say this because I think I think you are burned out while unable to take your hand off the tiller, that burnout is real illness, not just a series of bad days at work, and because I think it’s disingenuous to use euphemisms that diminish seriousness. I think that you should sit back, let them take your hand off the tiller, and take the time to look at what you have accomplished and see what it will look like going forward. “Cause I can see the future, and it's a place / About seventy miles east of here, where it's lighter” My best wishes again and my apologies if this thread has been especially annoying. P.S. I quite like Gutenberg!

mthoms 16d ago

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JumpCrisscross 15d ago
> You're a dinosaur Why is this necessary?!
- mthoms 15d ago
  Dinosaur is often used to describe someone who has grown out-of-touch with their industry. It aptly describes the technical skills Matt was just breathlessly boasting about. In case you missed it, Matt's boast was part of his attack on people like me who disagree with him ("stupid people swayed by bots") and his direct personal attack on YouTuber Theo Browne, whom he described as having "two brain cells". In the context Matt established himself, "dinosaur" is pretty tame, no? Yes, two wrongs don't make a right. I'll tone it down. But if you're going to police the comments, kindly consider applying the policing equally. Just because someone is a quasi-famous tech celebrity, it shouldn't give their behaviour a pass. Edit: I just noticed that elsewhere in this thread he calls his opponents (myself included) "idiots", yet there's no policing on that comment. Apparently, it's only "dinosaur" that crosses your red line.
  - JumpCrisscross 15d ago
    > yet there's no policing on that comment I flagged his comment. I think your comment was stronger without the personal insult. So I engaged.
  - photomatt 12d ago
    FWIW, I think Theo is great.
dofm 15d ago
This is rude and plainly horseshit. We still have the web at all basically because of Wordpress. I have been critical and I dunno, maybe I spoke fully out of turn, though it was from real concern. But reading this makes me regret saying anything.
- JumpCrisscross 15d ago
  > This is rude and plainly horseshit It's rude but...the Steve Jobs self-insert stage entrance is straight out of The Onion.
- mthoms 15d ago
  >We still have the web at all basically because of Wordpress. I strongly disagree with the premise. Aside from that, "WordPress" is 100% controlled by one guy. A guy who has repeatedly demonstrated total and complete disregard for the community. Ergo "we" don't "have" WordPress; It's something we're allowed to use (until Matt decides to ban us for an arbitrary, petty reason that doesn't even require articulation). That's not something that belongs to a proverbial "we". That's the point.

domador 15d ago

It's quite apt that you mentioned Jobs, given that many former admirers have reconsidered their admiration for him in the light of his often being an inconsiderate jerk. One can be a winner as far as technical and business achievements are concerned, but ultimately a loser due to how they generally treat other people. In my case, I'll take Woz over Jobs any day. Steve Jobs is not my hero.

dofm 15d ago

Matt, for clarity, if you see this, since this is a thread I kicked off perhaps by being imprecise and certainly by being somewhat critical: I am full of admiration for what you have achieved, I believe you should feel proud of it, and I think we in the wider WP and web world have benefited greatly from your assertiveness and confidence for literally decades. I think perhaps the tech industry has taken for granted what WP represents and what it has held at bay. I also see that things are going badly wrong, and having experienced a couple of years of severe burnout where I too came fully unglued and have not exactly covered myself in glory, I worry. As I have said elsewhere, I think there is a future where a lot of real differences and temporary difficulties are in the past. I hope for you that you get to that place, and I think stepping back from the things you built that can look after themselves, and focussing your energies on your health and the broader things that have mattered to you is the way forward. I can see people have taken issue with me saying “mentally ill” when I might have said “unwell”. But I say this because I think I think you are burned out while unable to take your hand off the tiller, that burnout is real illness, not just a series of bad days at work, and because I think it’s disingenuous to use euphemisms that diminish seriousness. I think that you should sit back, let them take your hand off the tiller, and take the time to look at what you have accomplished and see what it will look like going forward. “Cause I can see the future, and it's a place / About seventy miles east of here, where it's lighter” My best wishes again and my apologies if this thread has been especially annoying. P.S. I quite like Gutenberg!