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> Intel has always needed 3 things to beat ARM, and they need all 3 to be competitive: performance, energy efficiency, price. It's a nitpick, but surely you do

> Intel has always needed 3 things to beat ARM, and they need all 3 to be competitive: performance, energy efficiency, price. It's a nitpick, but surely you don't mean this literally? What if Intel's offerings beat ARM chips on, say, efficiency and price, or efficiency and performance... would you still believe ARM to be in a superior position?

Raphael 14y ago
There will always be room for ARM if Intel doesn't compete on price.
- eupharis 14y ago
  Shareholders will be very happy if Intel remains dominant at the high-margin, high-performance end. And competitive everywhere else. AMD has been competing with Intel on price for the past two decades. I know which of these two stocks I'd have rather owned over the past ten years: http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1356413832270&chddm=983365&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NYSE:AMD&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:INTC&ntsp=0&ei=WjvZUKiVOqajiAL83wE http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&... The data from this article is the first I've seen that indicates Intel could dominate the high-end mobile chip market in the near future.
  - drivebyacct2 14y ago
    >Shareholders will be very happy if Intel remains dominant at the high-margin, high-performance end. And competitive everywhere else. Not with mobile trends and ARM uptake trends persisting. ARM speeds are getting more and more competitive. (I would argue, please forgive me, that signs are pointing towards Linux uptake. Intel's high-margins are on consumer processors as well, surely a large percentage of it. It will hurt as mobile continues to displace desktop and as desktop increasingly targets ARM.
mtgx 14y ago
> What if Intel's offerings beat ARM chips on, say, efficiency and price Very unlikely. First, because ARM already has chips that are much more efficient, like Cortex A7. Intel can't bring Atom to that level right now. It would take a few years, just like it took for Atom to get from 10W to 2W. By that time A7's successor would probably again be more powerful. I also doubt it will be cheaper. So far no indication that Intel has managed that compared to ARM - ever. >or efficiency and performance That may already exist, in the form of their high-end chips, and in terms of performance/Watt. But their prices are 10x bigger. So pretty irrelevant when it competes to competing with ARM in the same markets.

Raphael 14y ago

There will always be room for ARM if Intel doesn't compete on price.

eupharis 14y ago
Shareholders will be very happy if Intel remains dominant at the high-margin, high-performance end. And competitive everywhere else. AMD has been competing with Intel on price for the past two decades. I know which of these two stocks I'd have rather owned over the past ten years: http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&chdv=1&chvs=maximized&chdeh=0&chfdeh=0&chdet=1356413832270&chddm=983365&chls=IntervalBasedLine&cmpto=NYSE:AMD&cmptdms=0&q=NASDAQ:INTC&ntsp=0&ei=WjvZUKiVOqajiAL83wE http://www.google.com/finance?chdnp=1&chdd=1&chds=1&... The data from this article is the first I've seen that indicates Intel could dominate the high-end mobile chip market in the near future.
- drivebyacct2 14y ago
  >Shareholders will be very happy if Intel remains dominant at the high-margin, high-performance end. And competitive everywhere else. Not with mobile trends and ARM uptake trends persisting. ARM speeds are getting more and more competitive. (I would argue, please forgive me, that signs are pointing towards Linux uptake. Intel's high-margins are on consumer processors as well, surely a large percentage of it. It will hurt as mobile continues to displace desktop and as desktop increasingly targets ARM.

mtgx 14y ago

> What if Intel's offerings beat ARM chips on, say, efficiency and price Very unlikely. First, because ARM already has chips that are much more efficient, like Cortex A7. Intel can't bring Atom to that level right now. It would take a few years, just like it took for Atom to get from 10W to 2W. By that time A7's successor would probably again be more powerful. I also doubt it will be cheaper. So far no indication that Intel has managed that compared to ARM - ever. >or efficiency and performance That may already exist, in the form of their high-end chips, and in terms of performance/Watt. But their prices are 10x bigger. So pretty irrelevant when it competes to competing with ARM in the same markets.