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Some services offer modified devices without a camera or mic for high-security environments. https://www.gadgetreview.com/the-iphone-with-no-camera-and-why-nucl

Some services offer modified devices without a camera or mic for high-security environments. https://www.gadgetreview.com/the-iphone-with-no-camera-and-why-nuclear-plants-pay-extra-for-it https://www.gadgetreview.com/the-iphone-with-no-camera-and-w... I imagine this is why Apple has kept the mic array and camera as separate removeable components in their devices when pretty much everything else is integrated.

chrisjj 16d ago
I have not readded those components. Promise. How would you verify?
- iamnothere 16d ago
  If it’s an Apple device, it’s pretty easy to verify, if you’re not getting into the realm of spycraft. Open the stock recording app from the store and try to record after verifying the preferences allow recording. This is sufficient for catching bad actors who don’t have immense resources behind them. Even easier if it’s a managed device. If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period, metal detectors and patdowns on both entry and exit.
  - chrisjj 16d ago
    So to enforce "to ban phones and other devices with microphones" you'd require the user hand over this phone and you grant access to operate it. I can imagine difficulties. > If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices.
    - iamnothere 16d ago
      Many workplaces already require MDM for devices. Some don’t allow unmanaged onsite devices at all. It just depends on the sensitivity of the work. Maybe you haven’t been onsite at a defense contractor or a large financial firm, it can get very restrictive and you basically sign over a lot of your rights to work there. > Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices. That’s the point. Nothing goes in or out except through tightly controlled channels. SCIFs aren’t theoretical, they are in frequent use especially for anyone touching classified info. Large enterprises sometimes use similar facilities as needed for highly sensitive meetings where they can’t afford for anything to be leaked.
      - chrisjj 15d ago
        Sure, but we're discussing "the office". I can imagine this ban workplaces that aren't highly security concious.
        iamnothere 15d ago
        I imagine that some workplaces will have to become more security conscious, and others (in two-party states) will have to make it clear to employees that recording without permission from others is illegal and the company will both sue and file charges.

chrisjj 16d ago

I have not readded those components. Promise. How would you verify?

iamnothere 16d ago
If it’s an Apple device, it’s pretty easy to verify, if you’re not getting into the realm of spycraft. Open the stock recording app from the store and try to record after verifying the preferences allow recording. This is sufficient for catching bad actors who don’t have immense resources behind them. Even easier if it’s a managed device. If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period, metal detectors and patdowns on both entry and exit.
- chrisjj 16d ago
  So to enforce "to ban phones and other devices with microphones" you'd require the user hand over this phone and you grant access to operate it. I can imagine difficulties. > If you’re worried about legit espionage, you hold the meeting or do the work in a SCIF, zero devices go in or out period Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices.
  - iamnothere 16d ago
    Many workplaces already require MDM for devices. Some don’t allow unmanaged onsite devices at all. It just depends on the sensitivity of the work. Maybe you haven’t been onsite at a defense contractor or a large financial firm, it can get very restrictive and you basically sign over a lot of your rights to work there. > Well the problem with that is it would bar required phones and other devices. That’s the point. Nothing goes in or out except through tightly controlled channels. SCIFs aren’t theoretical, they are in frequent use especially for anyone touching classified info. Large enterprises sometimes use similar facilities as needed for highly sensitive meetings where they can’t afford for anything to be leaked.
    - chrisjj 15d ago
      Sure, but we're discussing "the office". I can imagine this ban workplaces that aren't highly security concious.
      - iamnothere 15d ago
        I imagine that some workplaces will have to become more security conscious, and others (in two-party states) will have to make it clear to employees that recording without permission from others is illegal and the company will both sue and file charges.