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But aren't there plenty of uncensored/unrestricted models out there? Where is all the collateral damage? Also, I think if Claude and OpenAI are just doing indu
by Grombobulous 1mo ago
But aren't there plenty of uncensored/unrestricted models out there? Where is all the collateral damage?
Also, I think if Claude and OpenAI are just doing industry standard guardrails that everyone else is doing including DeepSeek, the fact that they are talking about it more than other companies makes it part of the marketing campaign.
As an analogy, if Apple were to talk up their phones having fast charging but their charging speed is the same as everyone else (or slower).
- embedding-shape 1mo ago> But aren't there plenty of uncensored/unrestricted models out there? Where is all the collateral damage? That come close to what SOTA GPT models are able to do? No, not even close. They're either "safety trained" and has bunch of guardrails, or aren't able to come up with 0days on the spot to escalate to root access on 3rd party infrastructure. > doing industry standard guardrails that everyone else is doing including DeepSeek, the fact that they are talking about it more than other companies makes it part of the marketing campaign. Yeah, that sounds reasonable to me, since all the top models currently have guardrails one way or another, but the amount they mention it in the press releases differs a lot.
- ahknight 1mo agoAn obliterated 30B model versus a 1T model without guardrails is like comparing an angry squirrel to a bear having a bad day. One hurts, the other hurts until it abruptly doesn't.
- Grombobulous 1mo agoLooks like you can purchase abliterated Kimi K3
- SamPatt 1mo agoI agree that fears are overblown. But we have definitely seen some attacks, especially in the crypto space. Three major ones just in the past month: Coldcard wallet, Liquid, and Trezor email compromised. They're almost certainly a result of more competent models finding exploits.