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To show you how strong Stockfish 19 is compared to 18, I used to lose 100% against 18, and I now lose 100% against 19, probably faster. Time to fire up En Crois
by nevi-me 22d ago
To show you how strong Stockfish 19 is compared to 18, I used to lose 100% against 18, and I now lose 100% against 19, probably faster. Time to fire up En Croissant and see :)
- FartyMcFarter 22d agoProbably not faster if I have to guess. The nuances of why 19 is better than 18 are likely indistinguishable from noise when they play against someone at a much lower level (i.e. any human).
- Sopel 22d agoalso in chess a better line is not required to be shorter
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- bee_rider 22d agoThis seems like an interesting alternative line of research. Design the a chess engine where the goal is to beat the best human in the minimum number of turns, while still offering ~no chance of human victory.
- adgjlsfhk1 22d agoThe Leela odds bots are working on a similar problem: beat humans starting down material. It's roughly grand master level starting down a rook, and for fast time control even starting down a queen
- reddit_clone 22d agoUnfortunately Chess (unlike Go) doesn't have a good handicap system. When playing without a piece (or two) it is not chess anymore OR it doesn't really matter.. During how many games does Queen's rook come into play during early middle game? Go, on the other hand has a nice handicap system (which doesn't change the nature of the game too much). One can have a fighting chance against a much stronger player with enough handicap (Upto 9 stones). In Chess terms, an IM can have a _decent_ game against a GM. Probably lose. But the GM has to work for it.
- adgjlsfhk1 22d agothe rook is fairly useless early game (which is why rook and knight odds are surprisingly close), but the queen actually does a lot in the early midgame (just mostly not by moving). The queen is usually keeping a bunch of squares indirectly defended, the trick is that the queen starts in a pretty good position and is much more mobile, so its importance doesn't come from where it is, but where it could be in 2 movies
- selfawareMammal 22d agoLosing faster to Stockfish 19 it'd mean youre an insanely good player, hundreds of times better than even Magnus.
- thomasmg 22d agoFor me (having written my own tiny 400 line chess engine, that now I'm not able to beat - sure I'm not a good player, but still), the reason to have Stockfish is not really to play against it, and then inevitably lose, but to use it to show which moves are best. I assume that's how most (hobby and professional) chess players use Stockfish nowadays.
- dogman1050 22d agoI can't beat the famous 1k JavaScript version either. I was better when I was younger. https://nanochess.org/archive/toledo_javascript_chess_3.html https://nanochess.org/archive/toledo_javascript_chess_3.html
- jokethrowaway 22d agothis feels around 1000 elo crazy to see 110mb.com links in 2026 (on the github repo project), it's been a while
- throwaway473825 22d agoYeah, I blundered a knight and still managed to win.
- segmondy 22d agoWhat does it matter if you can see which moves are best if you can't understand it?
- gpm 22d ago99.5% of the time you can understand it (percentage varies with rating).
- matsemann 22d agoYou just try it yourself and go down the different lines. "Okay, Stockfish suggests this, but I wanted to do that, let's try my idea, oh, I didn't think of that response to my move". Etc., play along some lines, think about them. Sometimes it's obvious, other times it just sets up something far in the future you must be a grandmaster to see the subtlety of.
- Waterluvian 22d agoIt’s oddly fun to put maximum Stockfish in play against some horrible position and to be murdered by it.
- debatem1 22d agoFeels like a variant of "really bad chess". Would make for a fun game.
- yboris 22d agoTIL: En Croissant https://encroissant.org/ https://encroissant.org/
- andruby 22d agolove the name :P
- hyperbovine 22d agoMagnus cannot even beat his phone. We're long past the point of humans being able to compete with the `fish, any version, any platform.