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I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. Every model release seems like it packed with wonderful research and advanceme

I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. Every model release seems like it packed with wonderful research and advancements.

dude250711 16d ago
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- walrus01 16d ago
  Basically, the nice folks at OpenAI or Anthropic saying: "You distilled from our model which is built on the stolen data that we ourselves suctioned up from the entire internet without regard to copyright law! Only we get to vacuum up the whole internet. That's our special prerogative.".
- impulser_ 16d ago
  You should read their research papers
whatsThisBtn4 16d ago
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- miroljub 16d ago
  > Yes comrade, they are the best. > Did you do your daily data centers errrr baaaaddd AI generated post for Facebook? Please stop insulting people. I'm all for heated discussion, but you are not discussing, you insult. Now go away, before your insults come back to you, "comrade from Facebook".
sriniwasx 16d ago
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nicce 16d ago
On top of that, they don't make all BS statements or malicious tricks used by some unnamed entities.
kroaton 16d ago
Considering the fact that Google/Anthropic/OpenAI have WAY more compute and the race is this close, it's obvious that DeepSeek/GLM/Qwen teams are better or we're approaching a wall in terms of progress.
- impulser_ 16d ago
  Not only compute, but more money and people.
  - 0cf8612b2e1e 16d ago
    Also data. US companies are actively using ongoing conversations to further tweak their models. Possibly even stealing a SOTA math solution.
- thinkingtoilet 16d ago
  Often times these limitations for you to be creative. When you can't just throw more processing power at the problem you figure other things out.
- segmondy 16d ago
  US gave China a gift by restricting GPU, they made them more resourceful. Too much money/resources is often a disadvantage.
  - jeffybefffy519 15d ago
    History has shown that restrictions promote innovation and ingenuity.
  - garn810 14d ago
    Actually Quickly they'll find a way to commodify the tech Same happened with electric cars (modern Teslas are joke in comparison with BYD). Same will happen with AI
aurareturn 16d ago
They're likely operating with 100x less compute than OpenAI.
onlyrealcuzzo 16d ago
> I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. It's pretty clear they're the best at what they're optimizing for - which does seem aligned with what a lot of people on HN want from models - but not everyone...

I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. Every model release seems like it packed with wonderful research and advancements.

dude250711 16d ago

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walrus01 16d ago
Basically, the nice folks at OpenAI or Anthropic saying: "You distilled from our model which is built on the stolen data that we ourselves suctioned up from the entire internet without regard to copyright law! Only we get to vacuum up the whole internet. That's our special prerogative.".
impulser_ 16d ago
You should read their research papers

whatsThisBtn4 16d ago

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miroljub 16d ago
> Yes comrade, they are the best. > Did you do your daily data centers errrr baaaaddd AI generated post for Facebook? Please stop insulting people. I'm all for heated discussion, but you are not discussing, you insult. Now go away, before your insults come back to you, "comrade from Facebook".

sriniwasx 16d ago

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nicce 16d ago

On top of that, they don't make all BS statements or malicious tricks used by some unnamed entities.

kroaton 16d ago

Considering the fact that Google/Anthropic/OpenAI have WAY more compute and the race is this close, it's obvious that DeepSeek/GLM/Qwen teams are better or we're approaching a wall in terms of progress.

impulser_ 16d ago
Not only compute, but more money and people.
- 0cf8612b2e1e 16d ago
  Also data. US companies are actively using ongoing conversations to further tweak their models. Possibly even stealing a SOTA math solution.
thinkingtoilet 16d ago
Often times these limitations for you to be creative. When you can't just throw more processing power at the problem you figure other things out.
segmondy 16d ago
US gave China a gift by restricting GPU, they made them more resourceful. Too much money/resources is often a disadvantage.
- jeffybefffy519 15d ago
  History has shown that restrictions promote innovation and ingenuity.
- garn810 14d ago
  Actually Quickly they'll find a way to commodify the tech Same happened with electric cars (modern Teslas are joke in comparison with BYD). Same will happen with AI

aurareturn 16d ago

They're likely operating with 100x less compute than OpenAI.

onlyrealcuzzo 16d ago

> I think it's very clear that DeepSeek is obviously the best AI lab in the world. It's pretty clear they're the best at what they're optimizing for - which does seem aligned with what a lot of people on HN want from models - but not everyone...