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I guess we need a new entry in http://rubydramas.com http://rubydramas.com

by xentronium 14y ago

pbiggar 14y ago
You know, this strikes me as very sane and cogent essay into maintainability and rails. Where does the drama come form?
- jrabone 14y ago
  It's inherent in everything the Ruby community does - sooner or later someone will come along and write a 14 page diatribe about how DHH is full of shit and then flounce out in a cloud of opprobrium.
  - fatbird 14y ago
    Read the Archeopteryx entry on Ruby Dramas for a preview of that.
- xentronium 14y ago
  To DHH credit, he always has fair points in his opinions, but the way he expresses these points is never diplomatic. For example, he couldn't resist making some blanket statements about java world and rspec. I am not sure about how intentional that is, but it surely is dramatical in 'flame war eliciting' sense of word.
  - pbiggar 14y ago
    The JAva point I felt was truly fair here. Servlets were good, but then it became the huge EJB which was bad. His rspec opinion - as expressed here that is - was "I dont like the DSL". Those seem fine really.
    - cunac 14y ago
      Just as a pointer I would recommend to get up to date with latest JEE specs and standards before making judgement What I see is most people base their opinion on EJB2 from past and they keep ranting about that. Also java ecosystem doesn't start and end with JEE
      - aurelianito 14y ago
        Come on! They scrapped almost everything because it sucked and everyone knew it. Judging EJBs as a pile of shit is quite deserving. I mean this as a programmer who wrote Java code for a living. OTOH, the servlet API is nice.
  - rhizome 14y ago
    DH2 critique in the Paul Graham pyramid: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
    - wpietri 14y ago
      Nope. He is criticizing based on consequence, which is the generation of pointless flame wars.
      - rhizome 14y ago
        Presumed effect is merely fortune-telling. Xentronium said nothing about the java and rspec arguments themselves, just that something was said with what they think is an undiplomatic tone.
        wpietri 14y ago
        The notion that you cannot criticize somebody for the probable consequences of their actions is idiocy. Especially given the track record of DHH-driven flame wars in the past. He also did say something about those specific arguments: that they were blanket. Which I took to mean: shallow and over-broad.
        rhizome 14y ago
        To whatever degree flamewars result here, they are historically not flamewars per se, but people arguing over tone. And I'm no statistician, but I would question the GP's probability calculations. The way to avoid flame wars is not to feed them in anticipation, but to offer a critical beatdown of the arguments at hand, e.g. the higher levels of the PG pyramid.
  - 23david 14y ago
    dramatic
regularfry 14y ago
If anything, this is deflation of previous drama.

I guess we need a new entry in http://rubydramas.com http://rubydramas.com

pbiggar 14y ago

You know, this strikes me as very sane and cogent essay into maintainability and rails. Where does the drama come form?

jrabone 14y ago
It's inherent in everything the Ruby community does - sooner or later someone will come along and write a 14 page diatribe about how DHH is full of shit and then flounce out in a cloud of opprobrium.
- fatbird 14y ago
  Read the Archeopteryx entry on Ruby Dramas for a preview of that.
xentronium 14y ago
To DHH credit, he always has fair points in his opinions, but the way he expresses these points is never diplomatic. For example, he couldn't resist making some blanket statements about java world and rspec. I am not sure about how intentional that is, but it surely is dramatical in 'flame war eliciting' sense of word.
- pbiggar 14y ago
  The JAva point I felt was truly fair here. Servlets were good, but then it became the huge EJB which was bad. His rspec opinion - as expressed here that is - was "I dont like the DSL". Those seem fine really.
  - cunac 14y ago
    Just as a pointer I would recommend to get up to date with latest JEE specs and standards before making judgement What I see is most people base their opinion on EJB2 from past and they keep ranting about that. Also java ecosystem doesn't start and end with JEE
    - aurelianito 14y ago
      Come on! They scrapped almost everything because it sucked and everyone knew it. Judging EJBs as a pile of shit is quite deserving. I mean this as a programmer who wrote Java code for a living. OTOH, the servlet API is nice.
- rhizome 14y ago
  DH2 critique in the Paul Graham pyramid: http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html http://www.paulgraham.com/disagree.html
  - wpietri 14y ago
    Nope. He is criticizing based on consequence, which is the generation of pointless flame wars.
    - rhizome 14y ago
      Presumed effect is merely fortune-telling. Xentronium said nothing about the java and rspec arguments themselves, just that something was said with what they think is an undiplomatic tone.
      - wpietri 14y ago
        The notion that you cannot criticize somebody for the probable consequences of their actions is idiocy. Especially given the track record of DHH-driven flame wars in the past. He also did say something about those specific arguments: that they were blanket. Which I took to mean: shallow and over-broad.
        rhizome 14y ago
        To whatever degree flamewars result here, they are historically not flamewars per se, but people arguing over tone. And I'm no statistician, but I would question the GP's probability calculations. The way to avoid flame wars is not to feed them in anticipation, but to offer a critical beatdown of the arguments at hand, e.g. the higher levels of the PG pyramid.
- 23david 14y ago
  dramatic

regularfry 14y ago

If anything, this is deflation of previous drama.