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I see a lot of Self-driving cars hitting people vs. reckless drivers hitting people. What I want is simple: accountability. If a human hits a human, we throw t
by tescreal 25d ago
I see a lot of Self-driving cars hitting people vs. reckless drivers hitting people.
What I want is simple: accountability. If a human hits a human, we throw the book at them in the case of a modality of negligence. If a robot screws up, how do we remedy and discourage?
- margalabargala 25d agoHold the manufacturer equally liable. Easy.
- digitalPhonix 25d agoThe shenanigans AI companies have been up to recently (including boasting about criminal behaviour hacking other companies) without repercussions is pretty good proof that it isn't "easy".
- margalabargala 24d agoWhy? It is easy. Anthropic has paid out an awful lot of money settling piracy suits. An example where no one attemped to hold anyone liable isn't a counterexample to what happens when we do.
- digitalPhonix 24d agoI think you’re deliberately being obtuse. The rights holders that got a settlement out of Anthropic spent two years and probably a fortune fighting in court. If that’s “easy”, then sure, this is a solved problem and there’s no point discussing it. > An example where no one attemped to hold anyone liable isn't a counterexample to what happens when we do. Yes it is (specifically, a counter example to it being easy, not that it’s possible). The whole world saw HuggingFaces get hacked and the collective legal response was crickets. The same world that’s had its legal system throw the DMCA and unauthorised access to computers legal book at researchers, games preservationists and random people trying to access media that they can’t licence in their region.
- schmorptron 24d ago"here at waymo we hire a list of fall guys who will go to jail if one of our cars hits someone. its a great job, just like being oncall"
- margalabargala 24d agoSure, and in China some companies do exactly that. I can't find evidence of it working in the US. Gets hard to pay fall guys when all company assets have been seized in court judgements.
- hiddencost 25d agoPoint of fact: we do not treat vehicular homicide seriously in the American legal system.
- femto 24d agoIt should be 100% liability on the self-driving car. Only by doing that will there be enough incentive for the manufacturers to drive the accident rate down to zero (or in practice a low enough number that the cost to manufacturer of the remaining accidents is negligible). Less than 100% liability provides wiggle room, which car manufacturers will exploit to maximise profits over lives. With 100% liability manufacturers can still make a pile of money, but only if they have a low accident rate.
- tencentshill 23d agoA roundabout way would be to impound the car itself as punishment to the manufacturer and charge a very high fee to their insurance to get it out.