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No, the takeaway is that Quebec's universal child care provision correlates with life issues, but there's no information about the causes of those correlations

No, the takeaway is that Quebec's universal child care provision correlates with life issues, but there's no information about the causes of those correlations - which could be in the details of how care is provided and its quality, or some socioeconomic issues specific to Quebec, or for some other reason.

gruez 1mo ago
>which could be in the details of how care is provided and its quality This has "true communism has never been tried" vibes. When enacting a policy, you can't guarantee it will come out optimally, so it makes sense to factor in any potential negative effects, even you think you're not going to make them. After all, I doubt the people campaigning for childcare in quebec were expecting the results to be negative.
- imissmips 1mo ago
  I've not read the article, and I expect it goes into this kind of thing, but... Perhaps it's something like: families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. Therefore children in child care are more likely to be from less affluent families than those who are not in child care. So it's not the child care that causes the difference in outcomes, but just general income scale.
  - gruez 1mo ago
    >Perhaps it's something like: families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. Therefore children in child care are more likely to be from less affluent families than those who are not in child care. So it's not the child care that causes the difference in outcomes, but just general income scale. No, the OP speculated a variety of reasons, which includes what you've suggested, but I'm specifically focusing on the "which could be in the details of how care is provided and its quality", which is why I quoted that part specifically.
  - watwut 1mo ago
    > families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. They do. Because the stay at home parent goes crazy from loneliness, boredom and deadly routine.
    - greenowl 1mo ago
      Affordability has little to do with it. The reality is neither parent actually wants to stay at home and watch and raise their own children. So they ship their babies off to full time daycare centers for someone else to do it. Then they both get to go to work instead! It's kind of sad.
  - sebasv_ 1mo ago
    Speaking from my own Western Europe bubble, its the reverse. High-income individuals tend to partner with high-income individuals, both heavily invested in their career, and using more child care to facilitate 2 full time jobs. Parents using less child care tend to be less career focused part timers. Having one parent stay at home is a rare sight that I associate with a low household income.
- sonotathrowaway 1mo ago
  The more appropriate aphorism would probably be “correlation doesn’t equal causation”.
  - Analemma_ 1mo ago
    If you're going to toss out that aphorism for the bad outcomes you have to do it for the good outcomes as well.
- smrtinsert 1mo ago
  this leap is like jumping over to jupiter from earth

gruez 1mo ago

>which could be in the details of how care is provided and its quality This has "true communism has never been tried" vibes. When enacting a policy, you can't guarantee it will come out optimally, so it makes sense to factor in any potential negative effects, even you think you're not going to make them. After all, I doubt the people campaigning for childcare in quebec were expecting the results to be negative.

imissmips 1mo ago
I've not read the article, and I expect it goes into this kind of thing, but... Perhaps it's something like: families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. Therefore children in child care are more likely to be from less affluent families than those who are not in child care. So it's not the child care that causes the difference in outcomes, but just general income scale.
- gruez 1mo ago
  >Perhaps it's something like: families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. Therefore children in child care are more likely to be from less affluent families than those who are not in child care. So it's not the child care that causes the difference in outcomes, but just general income scale. No, the OP speculated a variety of reasons, which includes what you've suggested, but I'm specifically focusing on the "which could be in the details of how care is provided and its quality", which is why I quoted that part specifically.
- watwut 1mo ago
  > families that earn enough to have one parent stay at home don't use child care. They do. Because the stay at home parent goes crazy from loneliness, boredom and deadly routine.
  - greenowl 1mo ago
    Affordability has little to do with it. The reality is neither parent actually wants to stay at home and watch and raise their own children. So they ship their babies off to full time daycare centers for someone else to do it. Then they both get to go to work instead! It's kind of sad.
- sebasv_ 1mo ago
  Speaking from my own Western Europe bubble, its the reverse. High-income individuals tend to partner with high-income individuals, both heavily invested in their career, and using more child care to facilitate 2 full time jobs. Parents using less child care tend to be less career focused part timers. Having one parent stay at home is a rare sight that I associate with a low household income.
sonotathrowaway 1mo ago
The more appropriate aphorism would probably be “correlation doesn’t equal causation”.
- Analemma_ 1mo ago
  If you're going to toss out that aphorism for the bad outcomes you have to do it for the good outcomes as well.
smrtinsert 1mo ago
this leap is like jumping over to jupiter from earth