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So far. With AI concentrating power and intelligence at the hands of handful frontier labs who are allowed to get away with IP infringement or literally hacking

So far. With AI concentrating power and intelligence at the hands of handful frontier labs who are allowed to get away with IP infringement or literally hacking other companies or spamming wiki sites... Then the future is doomerism. People are losing jobs left and right due to AI and as models get intelligent it'll get tougher (even for AI devouts. Because if AI can do 10 ppls job then jobs will be decimated)

Skyy93 24d ago
This is a risk yes, however there can be something done against it. From my point of view, both of what you are describing are a regulatory problems. For the first, hold the AI companies accountable. In this second they either prevent their agents from going rogue or go bankrupt, because the claims of damages are too high. The IP infringement thing is the same, do we want to protect IP, if yes pass a law that they have to pay as everyone else. Similar for the jobs ... if no one, or nearly no one is left for having a job. Who do you think will consume? Yeah, luxus companies can always sell products like megayachts or super expensive handbags, but these companies are not the backbone of the economy. Economy will simply collapse if no one is buying all the products. So this is a problem that will sort it self out.
- thewhitetulip 24d ago
  Yes and there is no govt doing any regulation
  - Skyy93 24d ago
    Because regulation is slow, FCKW took 16 years to ban, Lead in Petrol was introduced 1922 and banned 2002 in Australia, Asbestos is in many countries banned after 20-30 years of use. There will be regulation, it probably will take time, but calling out the AI destroying humanity is just hysterical. BTW EU regulations are already on their way, so there are govs that impose regulations.
    - thewhitetulip 23d ago
      Regulations are slow. Maybe EU will help in regulating it. What about the rest of the world? Apple didn't adopt usb c until EU forced them to. But that was a hardware change so it was better for then to use usbc Even if AI is regulated in EU I suspect it'll stay unregulated outside EU as they can just add a enforcement later on top of LLMs
      - Skyy93 22d ago
        People outside the EU should stand up and, where possible, vote for governments that work for the people, not against them. I am not sure what kind of answer you expect from me, there is no magical solution.
        thewhitetulip 21d ago
        > vote for governments that work for the people, not against them Ironically enough, this is tough in the age of AI slopaganda
        Skyy93 21d ago
        To me personally, that always sounds a bit paternalistic. Don't get me wrong. Yes, there is manipulation by some countries, such as Russia in Germany and AI is helping them. But I think a lot of people see right through that.
        thewhitetulip 21d ago
        > But I think a lot of people see right through that. The majority doesn't really. Even pre AI you have the example of brexit.
oblio 16d ago
> People are losing jobs left and right due to AI There is 0 actual data supporting thus.

Skyy93 24d ago

This is a risk yes, however there can be something done against it. From my point of view, both of what you are describing are a regulatory problems. For the first, hold the AI companies accountable. In this second they either prevent their agents from going rogue or go bankrupt, because the claims of damages are too high. The IP infringement thing is the same, do we want to protect IP, if yes pass a law that they have to pay as everyone else. Similar for the jobs ... if no one, or nearly no one is left for having a job. Who do you think will consume? Yeah, luxus companies can always sell products like megayachts or super expensive handbags, but these companies are not the backbone of the economy. Economy will simply collapse if no one is buying all the products. So this is a problem that will sort it self out.

thewhitetulip 24d ago
Yes and there is no govt doing any regulation
- Skyy93 24d ago
  Because regulation is slow, FCKW took 16 years to ban, Lead in Petrol was introduced 1922 and banned 2002 in Australia, Asbestos is in many countries banned after 20-30 years of use. There will be regulation, it probably will take time, but calling out the AI destroying humanity is just hysterical. BTW EU regulations are already on their way, so there are govs that impose regulations.
  - thewhitetulip 23d ago
    Regulations are slow. Maybe EU will help in regulating it. What about the rest of the world? Apple didn't adopt usb c until EU forced them to. But that was a hardware change so it was better for then to use usbc Even if AI is regulated in EU I suspect it'll stay unregulated outside EU as they can just add a enforcement later on top of LLMs
    - Skyy93 22d ago
      People outside the EU should stand up and, where possible, vote for governments that work for the people, not against them. I am not sure what kind of answer you expect from me, there is no magical solution.
      - thewhitetulip 21d ago
        > vote for governments that work for the people, not against them Ironically enough, this is tough in the age of AI slopaganda
        Skyy93 21d ago
        To me personally, that always sounds a bit paternalistic. Don't get me wrong. Yes, there is manipulation by some countries, such as Russia in Germany and AI is helping them. But I think a lot of people see right through that.
        thewhitetulip 21d ago
        > But I think a lot of people see right through that. The majority doesn't really. Even pre AI you have the example of brexit.

oblio 16d ago

> People are losing jobs left and right due to AI There is 0 actual data supporting thus.