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Surreal in the way that your constitutional rights are being casually violated?
by mrtesthah 23d ago
Surreal in the way that your constitutional rights are being casually violated?
- bix6 23d agoPlease see my reply to the other response
- Manuel_D 23d agoThe Constitution does not prohibit government (or anyone for that matter) from recording people in public spaces. ALPRs have been in widespread use since the 90s, I am continuously puzzled where people get the idea that this is new technology.
- mrtesthah 23d agoNotice that the person I responded to was speaking about a military checkpoint near the border. Do you know what that is?
- Manuel_D 23d agoIf anything that makes surveillance even less noteworthy. Is it really surprising that a military installation has surveillance?
- pseudalopex 23d agoThey did not say installation.
- Manuel_D 23d agoA checkpoint is a type of military installation. Specifically an installation with the purpose of monitoring and controlling traffic traveling through the checkpoint.
- pseudalopex 23d agoA check point is a point where people or things are checked. It could be military or civilian. It could be permanent or temporary. It could be 1 person and a vehicle parked in a road. This would not be a military installation to most people. Or dictionaries. Or laws.
- Manuel_D 23d agoAnd the point remains, regardless of semantic quibbling: a checkpoint is probably the least surprising place to encounter surveillance. Arguably, it's the whole point of a checkpoint to surveil, "checking" in your terminology, who's passing through.
- apercu 23d agoI was on a public highway.
- text0404 23d agoALPRs weren't connected to companies which call their detractors "terrorists" and which collect photographs into searchable databases that have advanced AI features. The general public has also witnessed the rise of military-style policing and unaccountable violence from law enforcement, so that contributes to the negative sentiment.
- Manuel_D 23d agoALPRs were always fed into databases, even back during the 90s. The whole point of ALPRs is to automate the task of reading license plates.
- text0404 23d agoThey weren't connected to nationwide databases which automatically record, store, and aggregate individuals' movements. Not constitutionally equivalent.
- Manuel_D 23d agoUh huh, and? When did the supreme court decide that ALPR data becomes a search the moment it gets logged to a database?
- text0404 23d agoThey haven't yet because a case hasn't made its way to the SC. But Chatrie and Carpenter deal with this exact subject matter and both establish that aggregating and searching past data is a (fourth amendment) search.
- Manuel_D 23d agoNo, for the fifth time, Chatrie and Carpenter dealt with private cell phone location information. This is not the exact same subject matter at all.
- apercu 23d agoThe constitution was written centuries ago and its authors expected the founding documents to be routinely updated.