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Surreal in what way? Edit: thanks for the downvotes? Genuinely curious on GPs experience.
by bix6 29d ago
Surreal in what way?
Edit: thanks for the downvotes? Genuinely curious on GPs experience.
- jkahrs595 29d agoIn what way is going through a military/police checkpoint while driving ordinary?
- bix6 29d agoI don’t live in Texas but I thought they ran checkpoints like that near the border already? I was told to avoid the most southern zones when I drove cross country years ago.
- mrtesthah 29d agoSurreal in the way that your constitutional rights are being casually violated?
- bix6 29d agoPlease see my reply to the other response
- Manuel_D 29d agoThe Constitution does not prohibit government (or anyone for that matter) from recording people in public spaces. ALPRs have been in widespread use since the 90s, I am continuously puzzled where people get the idea that this is new technology.
- mrtesthah 29d agoNotice that the person I responded to was speaking about a military checkpoint near the border. Do you know what that is?
- Manuel_D 29d agoIf anything that makes surveillance even less noteworthy. Is it really surprising that a military installation has surveillance?
- pseudalopex 29d agoThey did not say installation.
- Manuel_D 29d agoA checkpoint is a type of military installation. Specifically an installation with the purpose of monitoring and controlling traffic traveling through the checkpoint.
- pseudalopex 29d agoA check point is a point where people or things are checked. It could be military or civilian. It could be permanent or temporary. It could be 1 person and a vehicle parked in a road. This would not be a military installation to most people. Or dictionaries. Or laws.
- Manuel_D 29d agoAnd the point remains, regardless of semantic quibbling: a checkpoint is probably the least surprising place to encounter surveillance. Arguably, it's the whole point of a checkpoint to surveil, "checking" in your terminology, who's passing through.
- apercu 29d agoI was on a public highway.
- text0404 29d agoALPRs weren't connected to companies which call their detractors "terrorists" and which collect photographs into searchable databases that have advanced AI features. The general public has also witnessed the rise of military-style policing and unaccountable violence from law enforcement, so that contributes to the negative sentiment.
- Manuel_D 29d agoALPRs were always fed into databases, even back during the 90s. The whole point of ALPRs is to automate the task of reading license plates.
- text0404 29d agoThey weren't connected to nationwide databases which automatically record, store, and aggregate individuals' movements. Not constitutionally equivalent.
- Manuel_D 29d agoUh huh, and? When did the supreme court decide that ALPR data becomes a search the moment it gets logged to a database?
- text0404 29d agoThey haven't yet because a case hasn't made its way to the SC. But Chatrie and Carpenter deal with this exact subject matter and both establish that aggregating and searching past data is a (fourth amendment) search.
- Manuel_D 29d agoNo, for the fifth time, Chatrie and Carpenter dealt with private cell phone location information. This is not the exact same subject matter at all.
- apercu 29d agoThe constitution was written centuries ago and its authors expected the founding documents to be routinely updated.
- apercu 29d agoSurreal in that I’ve only dealt with that sort of thing (army checkpoints) in places that have active armed military conflicts.