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If we're citing sci-fi (but there's no robot war in Asimov's foundation iirc, the apple screenwriters made it up) surely you want to cite the Butlerian Jihad fr

If we're citing sci-fi (but there's no robot war in Asimov's foundation iirc, the apple screenwriters made it up) surely you want to cite the Butlerian Jihad from Dune!

rob74 17d ago
Don't mention the Jihad!
thelastgallon 17d ago
Yes, of course! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Butlerian_Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Butlerian_Jih... As explained in Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of "computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots". With the prohibition "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind," the creation of even the simplest thinking machines is outlawed and made taboo, which has a profound influence on the socio-political and technological development of humanity in the Dune series.
swiftcoder 17d ago
> but there's no robot war in Asimov's foundation iirc, the apple screenwriters made it up There isn't in the early Foundation novels, but Azimov spent much of the later part of his career combining/retconning all of his work into a single universe - "Robots and Empire" links the foundation series to the robot series, and the subsequent foundation novels all reference the connection
- selectnull 17d ago
  As a big fan of the whole Foundation saga, I don't remember any wars in "Robots and Empire" 3 books. Granted, those were the only books I've read only once (and a long time ago), but I'm pretty sure there was no war.
  - swiftcoder 17d ago
    That's fair, the books portray it as a quiet withdrawal from humanity, rather than a war with humanity
    - Izkata 17d ago
      The way the most recent season of the show ended it looks like humanity may have been misled about the war, so it may end up fitting that more closely once they're done (I haven't read any of the books, just going on your comment).
- riffraff 15d ago
  robots sure, but I remember no robot wars. I'd be happy to be corrected! It's been many years and I may have missed some books anywauy.

If we're citing sci-fi (but there's no robot war in Asimov's foundation iirc, the apple screenwriters made it up) surely you want to cite the Butlerian Jihad from Dune!

rob74 17d ago

Don't mention the Jihad!

thelastgallon 17d ago

Yes, of course! https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Butlerian_Jihad https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Dune_(franchise)#Butlerian_Jih... As explained in Dune, the Butlerian Jihad is a conflict taking place over 11,000 years in the future (and over 10,000 years before the events of Dune), which results in the total destruction of virtually all forms of "computers, thinking machines, and conscious robots". With the prohibition "Thou shalt not make a machine in the likeness of a human mind," the creation of even the simplest thinking machines is outlawed and made taboo, which has a profound influence on the socio-political and technological development of humanity in the Dune series.

swiftcoder 17d ago

> but there's no robot war in Asimov's foundation iirc, the apple screenwriters made it up There isn't in the early Foundation novels, but Azimov spent much of the later part of his career combining/retconning all of his work into a single universe - "Robots and Empire" links the foundation series to the robot series, and the subsequent foundation novels all reference the connection

selectnull 17d ago
As a big fan of the whole Foundation saga, I don't remember any wars in "Robots and Empire" 3 books. Granted, those were the only books I've read only once (and a long time ago), but I'm pretty sure there was no war.
- swiftcoder 17d ago
  That's fair, the books portray it as a quiet withdrawal from humanity, rather than a war with humanity
  - Izkata 17d ago
    The way the most recent season of the show ended it looks like humanity may have been misled about the war, so it may end up fitting that more closely once they're done (I haven't read any of the books, just going on your comment).
riffraff 15d ago
robots sure, but I remember no robot wars. I'd be happy to be corrected! It's been many years and I may have missed some books anywauy.