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> if we just let OpenAI steal any good idea they can get their hands on if they think it is profitable I have terrible news about how literally every leading A

> if we just let OpenAI steal any good idea they can get their hands on if they think it is profitable I have terrible news about how literally every leading AI model was trained

20k 28d ago
That doesn't make it fine. We should not excuse this behaviour just because its rampant already, especially when it comes to such a serious prize
- FuckButtons 28d ago
  Sure, but unless you’ve got some exceptionally deep pockets, congress has seemingly no interest in turning the fact that it’s ethically bankrupt into any practical recourse. Ai companies got where they are by stealing all of the intellectual property from human history. It seems entirely likely that their goal is to purloin everything produced going forward as well.
- m00x 28d ago
  You're getting a massive discount because you're helping to train the model. If you want to have ZDR, you have to pay API rates. This is well-known to anyone in the industry.
  - dogomatic 28d ago
    If you think this through, it becomes a little classist
  - Tanjreeve 28d ago
    > If you want to have ZDR, you have to pay API rates. That's a pinky swear. Especially as data gets harder to come by I'm curious how long till there's a scandal on that too.
    - edot 28d ago
      If you don't trust the labs directly, you can always use AWS Bedrock or Azure Foundry which should have a much stronger incentive to not train. They make money from asset rental, not selling models. I'd be shocked if they were training.
      - Tanjreeve 26d ago
        This isn’t me advocating for maximum paranoia. I’m just saying that the “privacy” aspect of the API pricing is just a business promise. I do personal coding on API pricing with Claude mainly because a) I’m normally using it quite sparingly b) the commercial relationship is a lot more transparent than these subsidised relationships where they “may” be training on your work but can’t really seem to answer what that means.
HotHotLava 28d ago
I feel like there's a pretty huge difference between using inputs and outputs as part of a general training corpus, and looking at a specific users workspace after hearing rumours and yoinking their ideas to beat them to the point. Unless OpenAI finished a whole new training run on the latest data in the last few days, the possible allegation seems to be the latter.
- scarab92 28d ago
  Either are possible. They have been collaborating on this solution for a year, and Astra was trained in February this year so it’s entirely possible the direction of their research was in the training corpus.

> if we just let OpenAI steal any good idea they can get their hands on if they think it is profitable I have terrible news about how literally every leading AI model was trained

20k 28d ago

That doesn't make it fine. We should not excuse this behaviour just because its rampant already, especially when it comes to such a serious prize

FuckButtons 28d ago
Sure, but unless you’ve got some exceptionally deep pockets, congress has seemingly no interest in turning the fact that it’s ethically bankrupt into any practical recourse. Ai companies got where they are by stealing all of the intellectual property from human history. It seems entirely likely that their goal is to purloin everything produced going forward as well.
m00x 28d ago
You're getting a massive discount because you're helping to train the model. If you want to have ZDR, you have to pay API rates. This is well-known to anyone in the industry.
- dogomatic 28d ago
  If you think this through, it becomes a little classist
- Tanjreeve 28d ago
  > If you want to have ZDR, you have to pay API rates. That's a pinky swear. Especially as data gets harder to come by I'm curious how long till there's a scandal on that too.
  - edot 28d ago
    If you don't trust the labs directly, you can always use AWS Bedrock or Azure Foundry which should have a much stronger incentive to not train. They make money from asset rental, not selling models. I'd be shocked if they were training.
    - Tanjreeve 26d ago
      This isn’t me advocating for maximum paranoia. I’m just saying that the “privacy” aspect of the API pricing is just a business promise. I do personal coding on API pricing with Claude mainly because a) I’m normally using it quite sparingly b) the commercial relationship is a lot more transparent than these subsidised relationships where they “may” be training on your work but can’t really seem to answer what that means.

HotHotLava 28d ago

I feel like there's a pretty huge difference between using inputs and outputs as part of a general training corpus, and looking at a specific users workspace after hearing rumours and yoinking their ideas to beat them to the point. Unless OpenAI finished a whole new training run on the latest data in the last few days, the possible allegation seems to be the latter.

scarab92 28d ago
Either are possible. They have been collaborating on this solution for a year, and Astra was trained in February this year so it’s entirely possible the direction of their research was in the training corpus.